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<blockquote data-quote="Loonook" data-source="post: 5863631" data-attributes="member: 1861"><p>Not going to make any bard a front-liner... They are far too squishy to be front-liners. What is does do is make you useful enough in the case when you need to take up a fighter's mantle to not make you useless in melee with a 9 Strength and no real battle strength.</p><p></p><p>What is really irritating is that the DM is presenting you with a gift horse and you have asked for seven different dentists to check them molars. The DM wants you to have an item that can be used by yourself OR anyone who can pass a UMD of 20 once/hour it is in use (Emulate Class Feature). So your Rogue can use it or anyone who has invested cross-class or has gained UMD from another class selection would grant the same benefits (at least 75% of the time for the Rogue without any Charisma bumps, though of course Eagle's Splendor could assist on the check AND his damage with the item). </p><p></p><p>Now what's interesting is that it is a Cold Iron weapon with Lycanthrope Bane. Which seems... odd, since it would seem Silver would be the best take on it. The weapon is at best situational for you as a secondary protection, or for the Rogue to borrow while stabbity-stabbing some skinchangers. </p><p></p><p>The item, as it stands? Not the best use of a +6 bonus, not the worst. Most of the addenda are situational at best and there are existing cheaper versions of the item. To be honest the item would probably be around a +4-5 tem considering MIC rules and the item above... So we have the Echoblade (let us figure that into the Charisma AND d6 considering the upper limit of 10+ at level 20 being more than the 3.5+modifier unless you're looking at a Charisma above 23 in your current form), cold iron is a cost item, add a feat as low down the totem poll as Weapon finesse? 1500 for feycraft, probably add a bit for it being an 'improved' form of it not lowering the damage die (a whole +1 to damage? Let's say 4k to be generous).</p><p></p><p>5500 + 4310 (base Echoblade), add an additional +1 from the Echoblade (6k), Bane (12k), going to move it to what is SHOULD be with Alchemical silver... 20GP. If you are looking for the </p><p></p><p>28k-38k. 27830 to be down to the cent for Silver, 27810 + 2k per 'enchantment' for the cold iron version (ymmv as to how you calculate that benefit) and it could actually be worse than the actual item I crafted because that item can give you your full level boost (right now just slightly lower than your current, but will eclipse your total in 2-4 levels unless you have some crazy Charisma modifiers), unless again you are stabbing the hell out of a lot of lycanthropes.</p><p></p><p>Slainte,</p><p></p><p>-Loonook.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Loonook, post: 5863631, member: 1861"] Not going to make any bard a front-liner... They are far too squishy to be front-liners. What is does do is make you useful enough in the case when you need to take up a fighter's mantle to not make you useless in melee with a 9 Strength and no real battle strength. What is really irritating is that the DM is presenting you with a gift horse and you have asked for seven different dentists to check them molars. The DM wants you to have an item that can be used by yourself OR anyone who can pass a UMD of 20 once/hour it is in use (Emulate Class Feature). So your Rogue can use it or anyone who has invested cross-class or has gained UMD from another class selection would grant the same benefits (at least 75% of the time for the Rogue without any Charisma bumps, though of course Eagle's Splendor could assist on the check AND his damage with the item). Now what's interesting is that it is a Cold Iron weapon with Lycanthrope Bane. Which seems... odd, since it would seem Silver would be the best take on it. The weapon is at best situational for you as a secondary protection, or for the Rogue to borrow while stabbity-stabbing some skinchangers. The item, as it stands? Not the best use of a +6 bonus, not the worst. Most of the addenda are situational at best and there are existing cheaper versions of the item. To be honest the item would probably be around a +4-5 tem considering MIC rules and the item above... So we have the Echoblade (let us figure that into the Charisma AND d6 considering the upper limit of 10+ at level 20 being more than the 3.5+modifier unless you're looking at a Charisma above 23 in your current form), cold iron is a cost item, add a feat as low down the totem poll as Weapon finesse? 1500 for feycraft, probably add a bit for it being an 'improved' form of it not lowering the damage die (a whole +1 to damage? Let's say 4k to be generous). 5500 + 4310 (base Echoblade), add an additional +1 from the Echoblade (6k), Bane (12k), going to move it to what is SHOULD be with Alchemical silver... 20GP. If you are looking for the 28k-38k. 27830 to be down to the cent for Silver, 27810 + 2k per 'enchantment' for the cold iron version (ymmv as to how you calculate that benefit) and it could actually be worse than the actual item I crafted because that item can give you your full level boost (right now just slightly lower than your current, but will eclipse your total in 2-4 levels unless you have some crazy Charisma modifiers), unless again you are stabbing the hell out of a lot of lycanthropes. Slainte, -Loonook. [/QUOTE]
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