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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5864794" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Loonook, I think we're somehow on different pages.I've been running the Half Satyr Bard since before I joined Enworld, so unless you guys are so good that your advice is retroactive, no Enworld didn't build the character for me.The Dm has just handed a 72k item to a 12th level PC, whose wealth should total about 88k per the DMG.&nbsp; (Actually 74 to 82k depending on how you price enchantments to cold iron.) I think it's way too much in a single item, and way too much over all.&nbsp; The wealth guidelines back me up on that.&nbsp; The item would be more than half the PC's wealth if he were 13th level (book guideline says 110k.)I ran the damage output on the item, and on the version I suggested as an alternate.&nbsp; Unless you're into the &quot;less is more&quot; kind of math, the +4 item I suggested is less money and less damage output than the +6 item the DM is putting into the game.I invite you to run numbers and post them here.&nbsp; Show me where a D6 of damage is less than a D4.&nbsp; Show me where a D6 of non-resistible untyped damage is less than a D6 of resistible energy damage.&nbsp; Show me where +6 to +8 Charisma bonus damage, all the time, is less than +5 &quot;half Bard level&quot; bonus damage.&nbsp; Show me where energy dice multiply on a critical hit, or where untyped, non-energy damage doesn't.So please, run the numbers.&nbsp; Show your work.&nbsp; Don't just hand wave and say, &quot;it's more&quot;, show it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5864794, member: 6669384"] Loonook, I think we're somehow on different pages. I've been running the Half Satyr Bard since before I joined Enworld, so unless you guys are so good that your advice is retroactive, no Enworld didn't build the character for me. The Dm has just handed a 72k item to a 12th level PC, whose wealth should total about 88k per the DMG. (Actually 74 to 82k depending on how you price enchantments to cold iron.) I think it's way too much in a single item, and way too much over all. The wealth guidelines back me up on that. The item would be more than half the PC's wealth if he were 13th level (book guideline says 110k.) I ran the damage output on the item, and on the version I suggested as an alternate. Unless you're into the "less is more" kind of math, the +4 item I suggested is less money and less damage output than the +6 item the DM is putting into the game. I invite you to run numbers and post them here. Show me where a D6 of damage is less than a D4. Show me where a D6 of non-resistible untyped damage is less than a D6 of resistible energy damage. Show me where +6 to +8 Charisma bonus damage, all the time, is less than +5 "half Bard level" bonus damage. Show me where energy dice multiply on a critical hit, or where untyped, non-energy damage doesn't. So please, run the numbers. Show your work. Don't just hand wave and say, "it's more", show it. [/QUOTE]

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