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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5864867" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Wow.Run the numbers.&nbsp; Don't point at past, rambling posts that didn't.&nbsp; Run the numbers.What is the average damage output for a Bard, level 9, plus two levels of Sublime Chord)&nbsp; Remember the half level advancement in Bardic Music granted by Sublime Chord.&nbsp; Do it again as if Sublime Chord were a full Bard level advancement.&nbsp; Figure that the Bard started with an 18 Charisma, and added to it at every opportunity, which means a 21 Charisma right now.&nbsp; Presume a +2 item and then recalculate with Eagle's Splendor in effect.Run the numbers for each weapon, side by side.&nbsp; (And please, don't claim that you did in post 9.&nbsp; You didn't.)Also, while you're at it, read the rules.&nbsp; Feycraft weapons are always cold iron, not alchemical silver.&nbsp; That suggestion (from post 9) can't be implemented.And on that note, I'm not sure if the Crystal Echoblade has to be made of a specific material either.&nbsp; I don't have my books with me, but what I can find online suggests that the weapon is actually made of sound, somehow.&nbsp; It may have class restrictions as well.I'll run the numbers, for any who care.[sblock]+2 Cold Iron Rapier, +1 D6 damage, + Charisma bonus, + Lycanthrope Bane, + Weapon Finesse.Base damage is D6, or 3.5.Bonus damage is D6 untyped, or 3.5Charisma bonus is 6, with item, 7 with spell.Magical enhancement of +2.So average damage is 15, plus strength, 30 on a Critical Hit. Add a point when Eagle's Splendor is cast.Feycraft Crystal Echoblade Rapier +2, Singing, Lycanthrope Bane.Base damage is D4, or 2.5Bonus damage is D6 sonic, or 3.5Half Bard level bonus is 5 Magical enhancement of +2So average damage is 13, 20.5 on a critical hit.Add a point if you count Sublime Chord as full Bard level.[/sblock]Regarding the build:&nbsp; Yes, I've asked advice.&nbsp; I've learned a good bit and I've used some of it.&nbsp; Couldn't possibly have used all of it, since that would require about seven different characters.&nbsp; But while this forum is an excellent information source (you guys own a lot more books than I do), the decisions were mine.&nbsp; And many of them were, as I said, made long before I joined Enworld.Semi-tangential question:&nbsp; What happens to weapons that do Sonic type damage if Silence is cast?&nbsp; Does the damage bonus still apply?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5864867, member: 6669384"] Wow. Run the numbers. Don't point at past, rambling posts that didn't. Run the numbers. What is the average damage output for a Bard, level 9, plus two levels of Sublime Chord) Remember the half level advancement in Bardic Music granted by Sublime Chord. Do it again as if Sublime Chord were a full Bard level advancement. Figure that the Bard started with an 18 Charisma, and added to it at every opportunity, which means a 21 Charisma right now. Presume a +2 item and then recalculate with Eagle's Splendor in effect. Run the numbers for each weapon, side by side. (And please, don't claim that you did in post 9. You didn't.) Also, while you're at it, read the rules. Feycraft weapons are always cold iron, not alchemical silver. That suggestion (from post 9) can't be implemented. And on that note, I'm not sure if the Crystal Echoblade has to be made of a specific material either. I don't have my books with me, but what I can find online suggests that the weapon is actually made of sound, somehow. It may have class restrictions as well. I'll run the numbers, for any who care. [sblock]+2 Cold Iron Rapier, +1 D6 damage, + Charisma bonus, + Lycanthrope Bane, + Weapon Finesse. Base damage is D6, or 3.5. Bonus damage is D6 untyped, or 3.5 Charisma bonus is 6, with item, 7 with spell. Magical enhancement of +2. So average damage is 15, plus strength, 30 on a Critical Hit. Add a point when Eagle's Splendor is cast. Feycraft Crystal Echoblade Rapier +2, Singing, Lycanthrope Bane. Base damage is D4, or 2.5 Bonus damage is D6 sonic, or 3.5 Half Bard level bonus is 5 Magical enhancement of +2 So average damage is 13, 20.5 on a critical hit. Add a point if you count Sublime Chord as full Bard level. [/sblock] Regarding the build: Yes, I've asked advice. I've learned a good bit and I've used some of it. Couldn't possibly have used all of it, since that would require about seven different characters. But while this forum is an excellent information source (you guys own a lot more books than I do), the decisions were mine. And many of them were, as I said, made long before I joined Enworld. Semi-tangential question: What happens to weapons that do Sonic type damage if [I]Silence[/I] is cast? Does the damage bonus still apply? [/QUOTE]

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