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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5864995" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>So, lots of discussion, light on numbers, and an open disregard for the rules you yourself quoted.</p><p></p><p>Not "usually" or "commonly", just "made from cold iron."</p><p></p><p>You also ignored the -1 damage adjustment from silver on your proposed version, I noticed.</p><p></p><p>You went with a +3 base weapon to increase the damage, I noticed, even though the discussion has been comparing +2 weapon enhancements so far.</p><p></p><p>Your +5 version of the Crystal Echoblade would run 52k, minimum (surcharge for enchanting cold iron), up to 56k if the DM decides to apply that surcharge to each type of enhancement separately.</p><p></p><p>So the weapon is only 7/11ths of the total wealth for a character of the level. Still well over half total, and in fact over two-thirds.</p><p></p><p>You didn't run any numbers for the original, and ignored the sharp difference in damage output on a critical hit.</p><p></p><p>And even with you fudging the numbers and ignoring the parts you didn't like, your "does more damage" claim still fails to prove out.</p><p></p><p>In any case, an item of that power and value is too much to hand to a 12th level PC in one chunk. Too big a percentage of the recommended wealth for any sane DM to allow if you were simply building from scratch.</p><p></p><p>The +4 version, without inventing any special "Enhanced Feycraft" thing that acts like an enhancement bonus without being one, would cost 34k, minimum, 38k if we charge for crafting Cold Iron separately on each enhancement.</p><p></p><p>Looks a lot more sane when compared to the 88k guideline, though still over 33%.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and if you really need a silver blade, consider Silversheen, an alchemical material that can be applied to a blade to give it a temporary silver effect. Straightforward and we don't need to fudge any rules either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5864995, member: 6669384"] So, lots of discussion, light on numbers, and an open disregard for the rules you yourself quoted. Not "usually" or "commonly", just "made from cold iron." You also ignored the -1 damage adjustment from silver on your proposed version, I noticed. You went with a +3 base weapon to increase the damage, I noticed, even though the discussion has been comparing +2 weapon enhancements so far. Your +5 version of the Crystal Echoblade would run 52k, minimum (surcharge for enchanting cold iron), up to 56k if the DM decides to apply that surcharge to each type of enhancement separately. So the weapon is only 7/11ths of the total wealth for a character of the level. Still well over half total, and in fact over two-thirds. You didn't run any numbers for the original, and ignored the sharp difference in damage output on a critical hit. And even with you fudging the numbers and ignoring the parts you didn't like, your "does more damage" claim still fails to prove out. In any case, an item of that power and value is too much to hand to a 12th level PC in one chunk. Too big a percentage of the recommended wealth for any sane DM to allow if you were simply building from scratch. The +4 version, without inventing any special "Enhanced Feycraft" thing that acts like an enhancement bonus without being one, would cost 34k, minimum, 38k if we charge for crafting Cold Iron separately on each enhancement. Looks a lot more sane when compared to the 88k guideline, though still over 33%. Oh, and if you really need a silver blade, consider Silversheen, an alchemical material that can be applied to a blade to give it a temporary silver effect. Straightforward and we don't need to fudge any rules either. [/QUOTE]
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