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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5865150" data-attributes="member: 6669384">To point, my character does have to pay the party for it, though he can use his party share of the loot to cover part of the cost.And in that sense, it isn't a &quot;Christmas Present&quot;, as has been suggested.&nbsp; Loonook and I just read things differently, and I suspect that we'll disagree a lot because of that.I freely admit that I don't own all the books, and I don't know all the items or prestige class options from those sources.&nbsp; Heck,&nbsp; I get surprised every now and then reading the core books.That's one reason I ask for numbers.&nbsp; Numbers I know, I can work with.&nbsp; They don't lie.For example, I hadn't been aware of Crystal Echoblade before this discussion.&nbsp; I have the MIC that it comes from, I just hadn't ever used it before.&nbsp; Similarly, I haven't ever used Feycrafted weapons, even though I own the DMG II it's found in.I was also surprised by the casual suggestion that we could simply invent a greater form of Feycraft that gives attack and damage bonuses like magical enhancements, that stack with magical enhancements (unlike the Master Worked bonus), yet somehow don't count as magical enhancements, and don't count against the +10 limit on enhancements.Talk about Christmas presents...&nbsp; Inventing new rules on the fly to suit yourself?&nbsp; They have a word for that where I come from:&nbsp; Cheating.Maybe they call it something else in other parts of the world.But to each their own.&nbsp; Every game group is different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5865150, member: 6669384"] To point, my character does have to pay the party for it, though he can use his party share of the loot to cover part of the cost. And in that sense, it isn't a "Christmas Present", as has been suggested. Loonook and I just read things differently, and I suspect that we'll disagree a lot because of that. I freely admit that I don't own all the books, and I don't know all the items or prestige class options from those sources. Heck, I get surprised every now and then reading the core books. That's one reason I ask for numbers. Numbers I know, I can work with. They don't lie. For example, I hadn't been aware of Crystal Echoblade before this discussion. I have the MIC that it comes from, I just hadn't ever used it before. Similarly, I haven't ever used Feycrafted weapons, even though I own the DMG II it's found in. I was also surprised by the casual suggestion that we could simply invent a greater form of Feycraft that gives attack and damage bonuses like magical enhancements, that stack with magical enhancements (unlike the Master Worked bonus), yet somehow don't count as magical enhancements, and don't count against the +10 limit on enhancements. Talk about Christmas presents... Inventing new rules on the fly to suit yourself? They have a word for that where I come from: Cheating. Maybe they call it something else in other parts of the world. But to each their own. Every game group is different. [/QUOTE]

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