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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7462205" data-attributes="member: 42582">What edition are you referring to?I already quoted the 4e rules for Stealh, and will quote them again (from PHB2, p 222): success on a Stealth check means &quot;You are hidden, which means you are silent and invisible to the enemy&quot;. So it's not true, in 4e, that to become invisible requires something beyond successfully making a Stealth check.In 5e, the rules for hiding don't use invisibility to describe success, but hiding remains a way for a character not to be noticed or seen by those who might be trying to see him/her.4e doesn't have a technical notion of &quot;true invisibility&quot;. The Invisibility spell (6th level wizard) is an illusion effect that means &quot;The target is invisible&quot;; the warlock spell Eyebite is a charm effect that (if it hits) makes the caster &quot;invisible to the target&quot;; and hiding (by means of a Stealth check) is a ubiquitous ability that makes the hider &quot;invisible to the enemy&quot; s/he is hiding from. A hider might be camouflaged. Or have distracted the one they're hiding from (as discussed in the PHB and PHB2). Or behind a box.If you're invisible (by whatever means) and not already hidden, you are entitled to try and become hidden (by a Stealth check - see PHB2 p 223).In 4e, making a Steatlh check is the possibility of becoming invisible.In 5e, trying to become hidden is trying to be unnoticed/unseen. Can a person who hides behind a box walk out from behind it yet remain unseen and unnoticed? Whether by distraction, camouflage or some other technique? Presumably that is a matter for GM adjudication - the sidebar on p 80 of the SRD says &quot;The GM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7462205, member: 42582"] What edition are you referring to? I already quoted the 4e rules for Stealh, and will quote them again (from PHB2, p 222): success on a Stealth check means "You are hidden, which means you are silent and invisible to the enemy". So it's not true, in 4e, that to become invisible requires something beyond successfully making a Stealth check. In 5e, the rules for hiding don't use [I]invisibility[/I] to describe success, but hiding remains a way for a character not to be noticed or seen by those who might be trying to see him/her. 4e doesn't have a technical notion of "true invisibility". The Invisibility spell (6th level wizard) is an [I]illusion[/I] effect that means "The target is invisible"; the warlock spell Eyebite is a [I]charm[/I] effect that (if it hits) makes the caster "invisible to the target"; and hiding (by means of a Stealth check) is a ubiquitous ability that makes the hider "invisible to the enemy" s/he is hiding from. A hider might be camouflaged. Or have distracted the one they're hiding from (as discussed in the PHB and PHB2). Or behind a box. If you're invisible (by whatever means) and not already hidden, you are entitled to try and become hidden (by a Stealth check - see PHB2 p 223). In 4e, making a Steatlh check [I]is[/I] the possibility of becoming invisible. In 5e, trying to become hidden is trying to be unnoticed/unseen. Can a person who hides behind a box walk out from behind it yet remain unseen and unnoticed? Whether by distraction, camouflage or some other technique? Presumably that is a matter for GM adjudication - the sidebar on p 80 of the SRD says "The GM decides when circumstances are appropriate for hiding." [/QUOTE]

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