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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5868051" data-attributes="member: 92305">Sorry you feel that way.&nbsp; I really don't respect players who play that way, so that lack of respect for their game is probably the &quot;vibe&quot; you're getting.&nbsp;Of course, that's a generall feeling I have.&nbsp;If that way of play were deliberate to the campaign, I wouldn't feel that way.&nbsp; For example, if the GM were running a game set in the Highlander immortal universe, that type of play would make sense to me.&nbsp; Or, maybe the GM set the game where all the PCs were demigods.&nbsp; I would get it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've got two friends that, when they play video games, they play them in such a way that I don't respect, too.&nbsp;I remember looking at my friend's Baldur's Gate game, where he had gone in and set the difficultly to the lowest setting so that he could just crush everything in his path.&nbsp;Yeah, he's my friend to this day, but when it comes to how he plays games, I don't respect his play at all.&nbsp;Another friend of mine, more recently, was playing Oblivion before Skyrim came out.&nbsp; In that game, your Athletics skill goes up the more you run and jump.&nbsp; Well, my friend turned his character to face a wall, then pressed the autorun button and kept it down with some folded paper.&nbsp; Then, he went to bed.&nbsp; He did this to get his Athletics up to 100 as fast as he could.&nbsp; I decided not to tell him that he went about that the hard way--he could have just used the command prompts to give all his stats 100 if he wanted.&nbsp; Plus, there are tons of mods that would allow him to jump a house, if he wanted.&nbsp;I don't know why people would play this way, but some do.&nbsp; It feels like a &quot;cheat&quot; to me.&nbsp;I'm not going to tell them that they can't do it, but I don't have to respect it, either.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Do you have any idea of the odds of rolling that way?&nbsp; You could play D&amp;D for 30 years, using the default 4d6, drop lowest, take highest three, and never get stats like that (I think it was something like one 16, two 18's, and three 17's.&nbsp;Pretty steep odds.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My game is all about rolling.&nbsp; I use the default 4d6, drop lowest, arrange to taste, for PCs and major NPCs. I use 3d6, arrage to taste for all other characters.&nbsp;I always found it strange that every PC that I come across doesn't have any negative modifiers on attributes.&nbsp; All people are above average in all six major areas?&nbsp; Some--many--are not strong in one area and weak in another?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do respect that there are different ways to play the game.&nbsp; But, respect has to be earned, and the guy that says he rolled all 17's and 18's for all six stats using a &quot;fair&quot; dice mechanic doesn't earn mine.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5868051, member: 92305"] Sorry you feel that way. I really don't respect players who play that way, so that lack of respect for their game is probably the "vibe" you're getting. Of course, that's a generall feeling I have. If that way of play were deliberate to the campaign, I wouldn't feel that way. For example, if the GM were running a game set in the Highlander immortal universe, that type of play would make sense to me. Or, maybe the GM set the game where all the PCs were demigods. I would get it. I've got two friends that, when they play video games, they play them in such a way that I don't respect, too. I remember looking at my friend's Baldur's Gate game, where he had gone in and set the difficultly to the lowest setting so that he could just crush everything in his path. Yeah, he's my friend to this day, but when it comes to how he plays games, I don't respect his play at all. Another friend of mine, more recently, was playing Oblivion before Skyrim came out. In that game, your Athletics skill goes up the more you run and jump. Well, my friend turned his character to face a wall, then pressed the autorun button and kept it down with some folded paper. Then, he went to bed. He did this to get his Athletics up to 100 as fast as he could. I decided not to tell him that he went about that the hard way--he could have just used the command prompts to give all his stats 100 if he wanted. Plus, there are tons of mods that would allow him to jump a house, if he wanted. I don't know why people would play this way, but some do. It feels like a "cheat" to me. I'm not going to tell them that they can't do it, but I don't have to respect it, either. Do you have any idea of the odds of rolling that way? You could play D&D for 30 years, using the default 4d6, drop lowest, take highest three, and never get stats like that (I think it was something like one 16, two 18's, and three 17's. Pretty steep odds. My game is all about rolling. I use the default 4d6, drop lowest, arrange to taste, for PCs and major NPCs. I use 3d6, arrage to taste for all other characters. I always found it strange that every PC that I come across doesn't have any negative modifiers on attributes. All people are above average in all six major areas? Some--many--are not strong in one area and weak in another? I do respect that there are different ways to play the game. But, respect has to be earned, and the guy that says he rolled all 17's and 18's for all six stats using a "fair" dice mechanic doesn't earn mine. [/QUOTE]

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