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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5868500" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Because that makes it clear he is not trying to impose his preference on others, he is just setting the parameters for the game he is running.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What has happened in this thread is irrelevant, since he did not (as far as we know) express into the player in that way. He did not verbally demean the player and his playstyle- just told him that it wasn't going to fly in his campaign.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Communication is good.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Just like the DM is spending his precious time and so forth, right?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Dude, that's like a straw man going down the slopes at Aspen on hyperboskis!</p><p></p><p>No one has suggested that the only joy on the other side of the screen is found in slaughtering carefully crafted PCs. And as far as I can see, the only people who have suggested that the choice between including PC death and other real consequences is a binary one are the people who want their PCs to be effectively immortals. <strong>News flash: <em>it's not a binary choice.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The prospective player asked for treatment different from the treatment other players in an ongoing game were getting. For a lot of us, that's a non-starter. If, perhaps, this suggestion came up before the campaign started, perhaps the reaction would have been different.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, the prospective player made the granting of request a condition of his joining the game. In the best light, it makes it clear that person has strong feelings about his playstyle and probably wouldn't fit in the game in the long run. In the worst, it's rude.</p><p></p><p>If I were to ask to join my Church's noon mass band & choir- which is essentially folk/rock/jazz/gospel- my request to add some metal to the mix as a condition of my participation could fairly and politely be dismissed as a "nevahgonnahapen" thing...<em>without</em> it being a case of the choir director being a mean person who wants everyone to listen to only folk/rock/jazz/gospel. It is my job as the new guy to try to fit in, not shake things up, until I've earned the right to do so.</p><p></p><p>To put it a different way, I was involved with a similar situation a while ago when I was running my Supers 1900 game. A new guy joined the group mid campaign, and <strong>I failed to inform him</strong> that it was essentially a "4 Color/Golden Age" game, not dark & gritty. Initially, his PC seemed to fit in, but in his first major combat, his PC was slaughtering foes left and right- bloodthirsty heroes were not part of the setting's base assumptions.</p><p></p><p>It was disruptive to everybody else's enjoyment, and even though I stanched the bleeding, as it were, he didn't care for the way I did it. He never returned.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, I- nor anyone else in the group- had a problem with his play per se. It just didn't fit in that campaign. If he'd been willing to dial down his PC from bloodthirsty killer to violent maniac, he'd have fit in just fine.</p><p></p><p></p><p>From the latest replies, it seems the OP feels likewise, further reinforcing my perception that he is not forcing his views on anyone.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Saying "No" is different from browbeating.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5868500, member: 19675"] Because that makes it clear he is not trying to impose his preference on others, he is just setting the parameters for the game he is running. What has happened in this thread is irrelevant, since he did not (as far as we know) express into the player in that way. He did not verbally demean the player and his playstyle- just told him that it wasn't going to fly in his campaign. Communication is good. Just like the DM is spending his precious time and so forth, right? Dude, that's like a straw man going down the slopes at Aspen on hyperboskis! No one has suggested that the only joy on the other side of the screen is found in slaughtering carefully crafted PCs. And as far as I can see, the only people who have suggested that the choice between including PC death and other real consequences is a binary one are the people who want their PCs to be effectively immortals. [B]News flash: [I]it's not a binary choice.[/I][/B] The prospective player asked for treatment different from the treatment other players in an ongoing game were getting. For a lot of us, that's a non-starter. If, perhaps, this suggestion came up before the campaign started, perhaps the reaction would have been different. Furthermore, the prospective player made the granting of request a condition of his joining the game. In the best light, it makes it clear that person has strong feelings about his playstyle and probably wouldn't fit in the game in the long run. In the worst, it's rude. If I were to ask to join my Church's noon mass band & choir- which is essentially folk/rock/jazz/gospel- my request to add some metal to the mix as a condition of my participation could fairly and politely be dismissed as a "nevahgonnahapen" thing...[I]without[/I] it being a case of the choir director being a mean person who wants everyone to listen to only folk/rock/jazz/gospel. It is my job as the new guy to try to fit in, not shake things up, until I've earned the right to do so. To put it a different way, I was involved with a similar situation a while ago when I was running my Supers 1900 game. A new guy joined the group mid campaign, and [B]I failed to inform him[/B] that it was essentially a "4 Color/Golden Age" game, not dark & gritty. Initially, his PC seemed to fit in, but in his first major combat, his PC was slaughtering foes left and right- bloodthirsty heroes were not part of the setting's base assumptions. It was disruptive to everybody else's enjoyment, and even though I stanched the bleeding, as it were, he didn't care for the way I did it. He never returned. The thing is, I- nor anyone else in the group- had a problem with his play per se. It just didn't fit in that campaign. If he'd been willing to dial down his PC from bloodthirsty killer to violent maniac, he'd have fit in just fine. From the latest replies, it seems the OP feels likewise, further reinforcing my perception that he is not forcing his views on anyone. Saying "No" is different from browbeating. [/QUOTE]
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