WW's Adventure/Abberent/Trinity to be d20! (Merged w/other thread)

[Razuur]

And sweet news it is.....

 

[Henry]

HA-HA! Excellent, Selganor, my minion, you have led me straight to the thread I wanted! Now, to merge them and finish my dastardly plan! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Please continue.

 

[WildWeasel]

Continuum is a really cool game and it just kind of bugs me to see the name being coopted by WW and/or their fans.

Yeah, never mind that "Aeon Continuum", sometimes abbreviated to "Continuum" has been the general working name for the setting since pretty much when Aeon was first published.

 

[Voneth]

Yeah, never mind that "Aeon Continuum", sometimes abbreviated to "Continuum" has been the general working name for the setting since pretty much when Aeon was first published.

As a side note, between all the the AC vs "Just"C comments plus all the WW vs. Sony comments I have read in the last two weeks I have pretty much formed the conclusion that a lot of gamers are wasting their enthusiasm in their current jobs and should go to night school to become IP lawyers. After which, we should shoot them.

Back on topic:

I am opting that WW consider the differences between Stalwart/Aberrant, Psion/Mesermeist and Daredevil be a racial difference, not a class thing.

 

[Morgenstern]

Oh for the love of Pete...

You guys are seriously speculating that the 'Continuum' will be compatible with D&D because the press release points to PHB 3.5? They are obliged to point to some WotC core book for an XP table and ability generation! In particular, it's common to point to D&D, because that's how the license is written, and because pointing to D20 Modern whe you are doing a modern day product that is NOT compatible is stupid. I strongly suspect that it won't have any more in common with either of them than Spycraft does (which also points to the PHB).

 

[d4]

if that's the case, IMO it would have been better for them to simply drop the d20 logo and make the book stand alone, a la Mutants & Masterminds, Arcana Unearthed, and others.

what's the point of attempting to convey compatibility (which stating the PHB is required does) if there is no compatibility? why require another book if you're only going to need three pages out of it?

White Wolf obviously doesn't need the d20 logo to boost sales for these books. not only does White Wolf in general and these games in particular already have wide name recognition in the RPG community, but the sales of the afore-mentioned M&M and AU prove that OGL games without the d20 logo can sell just as well or better than those with the logo.

 

[Psion]

I'm not so sure about not "needing" the logo there, d4. The Aeon Continuum games do not sell well enough that WW is willing to support the lines. The entire point of going d20 with these games was to get them to a wider audience. If the d20 logo helps do that, I imagine that's what they are going to do. That's the whole point.

 

[d4]

The entire point of going d20 with these games was to get them to a wider audience.

true, but like i said, i don't think going d20 vs going OGL "d20-in-all-but-name" is necessarily going to snag them any more customers. i don't think, for example, Arcana Unearthed would have sold any better if they had left out the XP table (forgetting for the moment that it is slightly different).

 

[Henry]

what's the point of attempting to convey compatibility (which stating the PHB is required does) if there is no compatibility? why require another book if you're only going to need three pages out of it?

White Wolf obviously doesn't need the d20 logo to boost sales for these books. not only does White Wolf in general and these games in particular already have wide name recognition in the RPG community, but the sales of the afore-mentioned M&M and AU prove that OGL games without the d20 logo can sell just as well or better than those with the logo.

Because current White Wolf players are not their target audience - the d20 playing market is, and they don't want to leave any shred of doubt that this is a d20-based product. There are fans who WILL buy Sword and Sorcery Studios material, but totally balk if the name "White Wolf" is on the cover, because it connotes Storyteller system, the same way all facial tissues are "Kleenexes."

Therefore, White Wolf, if they want to break this market's stigma of "White Wolf = Storyteller" needs to be abundantly clear that it's a d20 product, which an OGL product can't come right out and say. It's the fan base in which White Wolf has NO or BAD recognition that they wish to penetrate.