Rhun
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Wizards have always been a favorite of mine, at least once you get past the first few levels and can cast more than a few spells. I generally prefer them to sorcerers, but sorcerers can be pretty cool too.
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Wizards have always been a favorite of mine, at least once you get past the first few levels and can cast more than a few spells. I generally prefer them to sorcerers, but sorcerers can be pretty cool too.
Jemal
Adventurer
**EDIT: LOL, I thought this discussion was from another thread and started talking about my character in your(Leif) Rainbow Mage game. whoops.**
That's what I like so much about the abjurant champion character - He's a primary fighter who uses mage buffs to put him over the edge. Normal Buff-mages have the problem of "Dispel me and I'm screwed", whereas if you dispel him, then instead of being a squishy mage he's still a B-grade fighter.
It's b/c there's so many other ways to get full BAB and lotsa skills.
the "Whin" character I'm playing in *Leifs* game gets almost everything when he reaches level 20. BAB 16, CL 17, fairly good skill points (Avg 3+int+human/lvl, with access to fighter, mage, AND monk skills), fair hp (over half d10's with several d8s and only a few d4's). Sure he doesn't do anything as good as someone dedicated to it, but when you add them all together, he's a monster.
That's not to say there's no reason to take any class high level, it's just that multiclassing has always been the easier way to make your character do what you want it to be able to do. Heck, some concepts (Like the fighter-mage) are nearly impossible without multiclassing & PRC's. And they are VERY fun to play.
That's what I like so much about the abjurant champion character - He's a primary fighter who uses mage buffs to put him over the edge. Normal Buff-mages have the problem of "Dispel me and I'm screwed", whereas if you dispel him, then instead of being a squishy mage he's still a B-grade fighter.
It's b/c there's so many other ways to get full BAB and lotsa skills.
the "Whin" character I'm playing in *Leifs* game gets almost everything when he reaches level 20. BAB 16, CL 17, fairly good skill points (Avg 3+int+human/lvl, with access to fighter, mage, AND monk skills), fair hp (over half d10's with several d8s and only a few d4's). Sure he doesn't do anything as good as someone dedicated to it, but when you add them all together, he's a monster.
That's not to say there's no reason to take any class high level, it's just that multiclassing has always been the easier way to make your character do what you want it to be able to do. Heck, some concepts (Like the fighter-mage) are nearly impossible without multiclassing & PRC's. And they are VERY fun to play.
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Jemal
Adventurer
Two questions for Kinem -
A: Can I have some of my money just be 'random nonmagical gear in the bag of holding'? I've used this in several personal games, and it has come to be known as the "bag of random shi..er stuff". Say 1000 GP worth of mundane gear, and I'll spend the rest on wands/rods?
B: When do i start?
A: Can I have some of my money just be 'random nonmagical gear in the bag of holding'? I've used this in several personal games, and it has come to be known as the "bag of random shi..er stuff". Say 1000 GP worth of mundane gear, and I'll spend the rest on wands/rods?
B: When do i start?
Leif
Adventurer
hehehe, no worries (on my end, anyway. guess kinem might not be too happy about that.)
Ok. Your logic is irrefutable, Jemal. I just have a mental block, I guess, sometimes. Every time I level a character up, I generally stick with the same class he's currently progressing in. To take 1st level in a new class feels like going backwards to me.
hahahahahahahahahaha, too funny!!!
Rhun
First Post
Oh sure, Jemal's logic is irrefutable!
If you are actually advancing level by level, then yes...sometimes taking a 1st level in a new class feels like going backward. But I'll tell you what feels worse. Taking 5th level in Fighter, and knowing that you get absolutely nothing but +1 BAB. If you took, for example, level 1 in Ranger instead, you get +1 BAB, bonus to your saves, more skills, favored enemy, tracking, etc...and all you lose is 1 hit point (on average, d10 vrs d8).
Leif
Adventurer
So glad that you agree with me!!Oh sure, Jemal's logic is irrefutable!
Okay, I see your point, but then, if you do it your way, what happens when you get to CL6? 2nd level Ranger probably doesn't add all that much to what you have, either. I submit to you that it is probably better to just bite the bullet and take Fighter 5 so that you can move on past that "rough patch" and reach the higher levels of the class. By your logic, every time you came to a bump in the road, you'd turn. Pretty soon, you'd be doing nothing but spinning around in a circle, seems to me.
PLUS, don't forget that fighters get a bonus feat at 5th, too!
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Rhun
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Fighters DO NOT get a bonus feat at 5th level in 3E; they get one at 4th, and one at 6th. 5th level is a dead slot. You may be thinking Pathfinder rules.
I'm not arguing that if you want a dedicated fighter you need to bite the bullet and keep leveling; just saying that there are many ways to go, and straight fighter is not always the best choise. Almost every class gets a bonus of some sort at each level, except the fighter. Which is one of the reasons I really prefer the Pathfinder Fighter.
Leif
Adventurer
NOT! Just got my odds and evens confused.
Hmmmm, I'll try to remember that. (And force you to play a straight-classed 5th level fighter at every available opportunity!
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Rhun
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Hmmmm, I'll try to remember that. (And force you to play a straight-classed 5th level fighter at every available opportunity!
I'm playing one right now in Strahd's Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil game. Straight 5th level fighter. Believe me, I looked and looked and looked for something else to do for 5th level, but nothing fit the concept of where I was going with the PC except fighter. So I do know how it feels. LOL.
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