Yes to 4th edition

[Ghendar]

Here we disagree even more fundamentally. 3.5 is DEAD . When you start publishing crap like "races of the dragon" it's time man. Stick a fork in it, it's done.

Given the "niche" aspect of many recent 3.5 books, I'm leaning in this direction. Long ago they did everything we really need. Correction - everything I really need. Now, it's just niche books detailing optional rules sets that I don't need.

Don't get me wrong, I like options, but now we're entering silly territory. Doesn't really bother me though. By continuing to release all these fringe books, it means I'm saving money.

 

[Psion]

Wow, I love to see that there are still some 3.5 adherents out there. After all the nonsense with holy word, shapechange, improved trip and you name it - it's good to see a few can still keep the faith.

I think you have a rather skewed perception of the popularity of your standpoint.

3.5 book sales rankings have been cited on these boards many times, and they seem rather healthy, despite the chicken littles here.

 

[Rel]

Uh... no. There are no playtester credits at the back of the 3.5 PhB. A full page exists in the 3rd edition PhB. The 3.5 "designers" just threw their own sub-moronic house-rules into the 3rd edition framework and gunked it up....

Here we disagree even more fundamentally. 3.5 is DEAD . When you start publishing crap like "races of the dragon" it's time man. Stick a fork in it, it's done.

DM, your extreme condescention and outright bashing of those who designed and enjoy the 3.5 version of D&D are not welcome here. Find a more constructive way of airing your gripes about it.

 

[fett527]

Wow, I love to see that there are still some 3.5 adherents out there. After all the nonsense with holy word, shapechange, improved trip and you name it - it's good to see a few can still keep the faith. And that's just core rules, when we get into hulking hurler land...
3.5 was a downgrade from 3rd edition. It is the "skills and powers" 2.5 edition look-alike. A sad chapter of a few wasted years of D&D soon to be forgot.


I see that making monstrous PCs are inherently important to you. How important they are to D&D: not a frigging drop .



Not important to D&D either.


Uh... no. There are no playtester credits at the back of the 3.5 PhB. A full page exists in the 3rd edition PhB. The 3.5 "designers" just threw their own sub-moronic house-rules into the 3rd edition framework and gunked it up.






Here we disagree even more fundamentally. 3.5 is DEAD . When you start publishing crap like "races of the dragon" it's time man. Stick a fork in it, it's done.

We've had the extreme nonsense edition, 3.5:
*oodles prestige classes that break and bend and twist rules
*level adjustments that don't work
*oodles of feats that don't work
*templates that don't work
*Andy collin's moronic take on the base spell system
*Noonan's absurd trap CRs
*poorly updated monsters

There's so much room for improvement that I can't honestly beleive a rational person would not see this edition as "done" - even one who likes stupid things like PrC and 700+ feats.

And for those of you who hate the previous editions of D&D I have this to say: I've been playing this game likely a whole hell of a lot longer than most of you and 3.5 is the only edition where I can't take 2 non-core books and try to incorporate them into my game. The quality of the writting + the lack of ANY cross checking between authors (despite having a much more transparent way of balancing simple rules) makes 3.5 the most wholly unbalanced and broken edition of all time. Time for it to die people, and we get back to something a whole lot better, namely stressing the archetypes and to hell with the mutant game mechanical abberations.

I know, I know!!! When you can't beat 'em, ie put together a coherent argument, just insult them! Good show!

 

[Ranger REG]

Given the "niche" aspect of many recent 3.5 books, I'm leaning in this direction. Long ago they did everything we really need. Correction - everything I really need. Now, it's just niche books detailing optional rules sets that I don't need.

Don't get me wrong, I like options, but now we're entering silly territory. Doesn't really bother me though. By continuing to release all these fringe books, it means I'm saving money.

So, tell them what you need. 4e is not going to give you everything you need. It will probably be the same as our current 3.5e ... IF you do not tell WotC want you want in a sourcebook.

Then again, chances are what YOU want may be considered, IYOW, niche by others. *Shrugs*