Yet another simple swallow whole question

[Darklone]

Call me stupid, put me in a bag and beat it with sticks underwater...

Simple scenario last time: T-rex with swallow whole. He bites PC (bite damage), wins Imp Grab check, PC is grappled (T-rex as well without taking -20, right?). Next round: Grapple check for T-rex to swallow PC. PC gets bite damage and the swallow whole damage.

Does this sound ok? I mean... two rounds doing nothing else is pretty tough for such a monster... (not that he didn't nearly kill the group even that way).

 

[Inconsequenti-AL]

Yeah. 2 rounds for that does seem a long time... I'm not even certain it gets another bite attack in on the swallowing round. It almost looks like the 2nd grapple check is just to swallow the target.

Swallow Whole (Ex): A tyrannosaurus can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of up to two sizes smaller by making a successful grapple check.

One answer would be to use larger groups of them.


Sidetrack: I wonder how it works if the T-Rex happens to get hasted?

Would it go:
Round 1:
Bite+grab. Bite (as a grapple).
THEN
Round 2:
Swallow whole. Bite (different opponent!).
OR
Round 2:
Bite (as a grapple). Swallow whole.

 

[MichaelH]

It sounds right to me. The 3.5 MM (page 315) says that the swallowee takes bite damage when swallowed. And once he is swallowed, the T-Rex is no longer considered grappled.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

Here's the part I have a question about.

If the PC is swallowed and DOESN'T have a small weapon in hand, they will need to succeed at a grapple check to draw a small weapon right?

 

[Scion]

Here's the part I have a question about.

If the PC is swallowed and DOESN'T have a small weapon in hand, they will need to succeed at a grapple check to draw a small weapon right?

yep, they need to make a grapple check to draw that dagger.

But they can stab with their shortsword more or less just fine.

Those are the rules, but I haven houseruled various portions of the grappling to make them actually useable in more situations.

 

[maggot]

Funny, we had the T-Rex eats the party thing come up last week too. My question is, how many grapple checks per round does the T-Rex get? It gets only one attack with its bit, but can it grapple check at its full BAB (taking -5 for the second, etc.). Didn't come up in our situation, but that's because he swallowed each guy right away (and couldn't then attack, right?).

 

[MichaelH]

The T-Rex gets one grapple attack per round. Natural attacks do not get iterative attacks. And you are right, the T-Rex uses his attack to grapple, so he does not get to do both as his action. He can make opposed grapple checks later if his victim tries to escape. I am not sure what you meant by saying he swallowed them right away. The T-Rex cannot grapple them into his mouth and swallow in the same round. He must succeed in grappling the victim, and if the victim is still grappled on it's next turn, he must make another successful grapple check to swallow the victim.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Do your T-Rexs feel full after swallowing a few moles and monkeys? I have the solution for you!

[house rule alert]
Swallow whole just doesn't make sense in most of the cases where it is given, I find the best thing to do (which sounds bad but actually works out better for the PCs) is to treat it as "pick up and chew/shake". Once the improved grapple succeeds the character is grappled in the creatures mouth. Each round the creature gets to make a grapple check to apply its bite damage and the grappled character has his normal difficulties in doing anything when held in a big creatures grapple.

Unlike swallowing whole, this ties up the creatures mouth so it isn't doing any other bite attacks while it chews its first mouthful into bite sized chunks.

Also unlike swallowing whole it is a darn site more realistic for T-rexes and many other creatures with the swallow whole ability.

[/house rule alert]

Cheers

 

[Scion]

make sure they run away once they get one pc too. After all, with a move of 40 and the run feat he should be able to escape from a good portion of the pc's while having time to masticate whichever one he got..lol

 

[Darklone]

Uhm, that T-Rex was the Fiendish version, summoned in tight surroundings... no place to run away.

Nicely the swallow whole description gives infos about how many he can swallow, so after a medium sized and a small sized creature, he proceeded to "chew" the next one ...

Yeah, I used 1 grapple check for the first bite, next round swallow whole with another grapple check, 3rd round bite with imp grab and grapple check... swallow whole again 4th round... Giving it iterative attacks would kill too fast.

And yupp, that greatsword wielding ftr/rog didn't feel fine in there without a light weapon.