Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
You Cant Fix The Class Imbalances IMHO
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9172250" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Generally Wizards (Magic-Users) were not the most powerful characters in AD&D 1E, even at high level.</p><p></p><p>High level martials could could do a ton of damage in one round regularly once weapon specialization and high level magic items became available and their THAC0 was so low this was nearly automatic. It was rare that PC Magic-Users could cast the high level spells to match this.</p><p></p><p>Magic-Users were weakened in 1E by magic resistance and the fact saving throws were easy to make at high level. Something like Feeblemind for example is very powerful, but a high level fighter only needs a 7 to save. Less if he had a 15 or better Wisdom or any kind of magic items that boost saves and a Wizard casting such a spell in combat is very vulnerable to being attacked.</p><p></p><p>There were high level spells like Wish and Power Word Kill that did not give saves and those are as powerful as 5E contemporaries, however few PC Magic-Users could cast these spells because they lacked the required intelligence score. In 1E you rolled abilities and they never increased. So you had to roll an 18 intelligence at 1st level and even if you got extremely lucky and rolled an 18 you still had a 15% chance of not being able to learn a particular spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9172250, member: 7030563"] Generally Wizards (Magic-Users) were not the most powerful characters in AD&D 1E, even at high level. High level martials could could do a ton of damage in one round regularly once weapon specialization and high level magic items became available and their THAC0 was so low this was nearly automatic. It was rare that PC Magic-Users could cast the high level spells to match this. Magic-Users were weakened in 1E by magic resistance and the fact saving throws were easy to make at high level. Something like Feeblemind for example is very powerful, but a high level fighter only needs a 7 to save. Less if he had a 15 or better Wisdom or any kind of magic items that boost saves and a Wizard casting such a spell in combat is very vulnerable to being attacked. There were high level spells like Wish and Power Word Kill that did not give saves and those are as powerful as 5E contemporaries, however few PC Magic-Users could cast these spells because they lacked the required intelligence score. In 1E you rolled abilities and they never increased. So you had to roll an 18 intelligence at 1st level and even if you got extremely lucky and rolled an 18 you still had a 15% chance of not being able to learn a particular spell. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
You Cant Fix The Class Imbalances IMHO
Top