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<blockquote data-quote="Aeolius" data-source="post: 4268770" data-attributes="member: 2072">4e is clearly marketed towards new players or amnesiac ones. Mentioning FR and DL as the first campaign settings? A nod to Blackmoor and Greyhawk would have been appropriate. 3e had a conversion manual. I easily adapted a 1e campaign into a 3e one. 4e wants everyone to abandon everything and begin anew. &nbsp;&nbsp; 4e clearly wants to tell you how to play and how to have &quot;fun&quot;. I believe the quote was &quot;It's not fun to make characters guess what a magic item is or try to use a magic item without knowing its capabilities.&quot; What a load of nonsense.&nbsp;&nbsp; 4e is supposedly even more combat-oriented and mini-dependent. I view that as a defect, but I'm sure those who view D&amp;D as a vast battle arena will be overjoyed. &nbsp;&nbsp; I could critique all of the entries missing from the 4e MM (locathah, sea elves, merfolk, greenhags, annis, sea hags, etc), but it would be countered with &quot;they'll be in later editions&quot; or &quot;just make them up yourself&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; I could always resort to my prior 4e concerns; loss of Greyhawk, no Mac port for the DDI applications, absence of prior core races and classes, and so on, but where's the fun in that.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure in 3-4 years, 4e will be almost as fun as 3e.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aeolius, post: 4268770, member: 2072"] 4e is clearly marketed towards new players or amnesiac ones. Mentioning FR and DL as the first campaign settings? A nod to Blackmoor and Greyhawk would have been appropriate. 3e had a conversion manual. I easily adapted a 1e campaign into a 3e one. 4e wants everyone to abandon everything and begin anew. 4e clearly wants to tell you how to play and how to have "fun". I believe the quote was "It's not fun to make characters guess what a magic item is or try to use a magic item without knowing its capabilities." What a load of nonsense. 4e is supposedly even more combat-oriented and mini-dependent. I view that as a defect, but I'm sure those who view D&D as a vast battle arena will be overjoyed. I could critique all of the entries missing from the 4e MM (locathah, sea elves, merfolk, greenhags, annis, sea hags, etc), but it would be countered with "they'll be in later editions" or "just make them up yourself". I could always resort to my prior 4e concerns; loss of Greyhawk, no Mac port for the DDI applications, absence of prior core races and classes, and so on, but where's the fun in that. I'm sure in 3-4 years, 4e will be almost as fun as 3e. ;) [/QUOTE]

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