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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 4272936" data-attributes="member: 6957">I would vehemently disagree with you, except this is the exact reason I refuse to play GURPS. There are (or at least were - the shop were they congregated has since closed) some local GURPS players who would go out of their way to explain why any other game was bad. Going so far as to take a box of the starter D&D set out of the hands of a kid at the local bookstore.As for e4 - my initial feeling was apathy, which grew to dislike as I heard more about it. At least part of my dislike is indeed from the folks who try to shove it down my throat, but most is from just not liking the direction the rules seem to be going. I will take a look at the bookstore, but from my budding dislike, and the investment in the previous edition I doubt that I will be making a purchase.Last week at one of my games I was surprised when the discussion turned to e4. It turned out that I was the most tolerant of the new edition of the folks gathered around the table. Mind you, this was at a Spycraft game, sort of the opposite end of things from e4 in terms of complexity. (My Spycraft Delta Green game to be precise. I don't think my Steampunk Spycraft players care a whit. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> )The Auld Grump, Pathfinder also looks more to my tastes, even if it is more 3.75 than e4.</blockquote>

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