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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fuzzlewump" data-source="post: 4302957" data-attributes="member: 63214">Oh, no, sorry, I was unclear there. I just meant that you can do what you did in 3E(in this case, rogue stuff,) and a little more, given the new use of skills in rituals. Good point on the crafting, but is that enough to say that 4E is completely restrictive and devoid of options to the point of unplayability? To be clear, as I said before and will say again, I just want the judgment of 4E to be fair, I don't want to prove 4.0's dad can beat up 3.5's dad.Hmm, good point, there is a complete lack of crafting 4E, which is something I don't really like, but as far as I'm concerned I never had skill points to put in things like that. But on your other point, how does having more trained skills not lead to more options? If a skill is an option, and 4E gives you more skills, 4E gives you more options. I'm not sure how you define option here. In another way, each class having more skills gives you more option of what to do. If you want to play a stealth campaign, you aren't losing very much by either selecting stealth at first level or taking skill training, seeing as how you get much more feats than you did in 3E. That wasn't really as good of option in 3E, unless you counted a beguiler using zone of silence and invisibility sphere to completely negate the point of Move Silently and Hide. The same applies to any skill, say you want all your characters to use rituals, everyone can get skill training in arcana or religion and then can get ritual casting. Sounds like an option to me. Warlocks have access to thievery, so can take over the job of a rogue if need be. Option.Same in 4E. More skills to choose from than you can have. What classes had skill bonuses on their tables in core 3.5? Anyway, the customization aspect is definitely there, inside and outside of combat. It doesn't matter if 3.5 has more or less, I just want to know what is the threshold that 4.0 must have to be considered having options, for my own curiosity, because I think some are being unfair in their judgment of 4E.</blockquote>

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