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<blockquote data-quote="wingsandsword" data-source="post: 4305213" data-attributes="member: 14159">How often were monsters defeated by social skills?&nbsp; Pretty dang often in my experience.&nbsp; Encounter some dimwitted ogres guarding the cave entrance?&nbsp; Some Disguise and Bluff skills later and the ogres are letting the PC's in because they say they are envoys from the Evil Kingdom out there that their boss wants to ally with.&nbsp; Run across some orc highwaymen demanding tribute or they attack?&nbsp; You could intimidate them, or bluff them into thinking you're working for their boss and on the same side or don't have any money, or play nice and talk with them long enough for the rogue and/or ranger to sneak around and take them out while they are distracted (which case they aren't being defeated by the social skills, but it's making a wonderful stalling tactic). Oh, and why wouldn't a bard/monk be a social skill expert?&nbsp; The bard gets all the social skills, monks get diplomacy and sense motive.&nbsp; If you started out as a bard and multiclassed to monk you could still spend cross-class costs to keep bluff &amp; intimidate at maximum.&nbsp;&nbsp; Heck, if you multiclassed to Monk after only 2 or 3 levels of Bard you could even eventually get Tongue of the Sun and Moon which helps monks be uber socialites.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think a Bard/Monk would be a really interesting and fun character. . .a charming bard who retired to a monastery and now is the pleasant public &quot;faceman&quot; for his monastery that they like to send on missions away from their cloisters because he is more adept at working with the outside world, while he is still a skilled martial artist his bardic training long ago gives him some unusual knowledge and magical abilities that make him distinct among the monks of his order. Because in that campaign healing magic may exist, but it's rare and teachings and techniques that modify it haven't been developed yet, or healing magic is relatively weak because of the ever-oppressive influence of dark forces and being able to amplify healing magic as easily as taking a feat isn't going to be possible?&nbsp; Like in pre-War of the Lance Dragonlance when there was no true divine spellcasters and if there was any healing magic it was from Bards (if that) or wizards that had researched very weak and inefficient healing spells, so healing magic was incredibly rare on it's own and Augment Healing just wasn't out there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wingsandsword, post: 4305213, member: 14159"] How often were monsters defeated by social skills? Pretty dang often in my experience. Encounter some dimwitted ogres guarding the cave entrance? Some Disguise and Bluff skills later and the ogres are letting the PC's in because they say they are envoys from the Evil Kingdom out there that their boss wants to ally with. Run across some orc highwaymen demanding tribute or they attack? You could intimidate them, or bluff them into thinking you're working for their boss and on the same side or don't have any money, or play nice and talk with them long enough for the rogue and/or ranger to sneak around and take them out while they are distracted (which case they aren't being defeated by the social skills, but it's making a wonderful stalling tactic). Oh, and why wouldn't a bard/monk be a social skill expert? The bard gets all the social skills, monks get diplomacy and sense motive. If you started out as a bard and multiclassed to monk you could still spend cross-class costs to keep bluff & intimidate at maximum. Heck, if you multiclassed to Monk after only 2 or 3 levels of Bard you could even eventually get Tongue of the Sun and Moon which helps monks be uber socialites. I think a Bard/Monk would be a really interesting and fun character. . .a charming bard who retired to a monastery and now is the pleasant public "faceman" for his monastery that they like to send on missions away from their cloisters because he is more adept at working with the outside world, while he is still a skilled martial artist his bardic training long ago gives him some unusual knowledge and magical abilities that make him distinct among the monks of his order. Because in that campaign healing magic may exist, but it's rare and teachings and techniques that modify it haven't been developed yet, or healing magic is relatively weak because of the ever-oppressive influence of dark forces and being able to amplify healing magic as easily as taking a feat isn't going to be possible? Like in pre-War of the Lance Dragonlance when there was no true divine spellcasters and if there was any healing magic it was from Bards (if that) or wizards that had researched very weak and inefficient healing spells, so healing magic was incredibly rare on it's own and Augment Healing just wasn't out there. [/QUOTE]

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