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You don't play 4E, but what did they get RIGHT?
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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 5285340" data-attributes="member: 59057"><p>Difficult to say, maybe I try to tell you what you maybe do right...</p><p></p><p>- Maybe you didn´t misinterpret CR as "a typical combat only has one enemy"</p><p>- Maybe you don´t allow scry buff and teleport stupidity</p><p>- Maybe you have nice players, that don´t try to abuse the <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> out of some classes</p><p></p><p>What you may be doing "wrong":</p><p></p><p>- you say no, when PC´s wants to combo stuff without flavour, just to abuse some feartures of prestige classes</p><p>- you may not allow creating every item the PCs want to have</p><p>- you may not follow strict monster building guidelines, especially when you are creating "solos"</p><p></p><p>What you could be doing wrong (i.e. unfair)</p><p></p><p>- you could design your encounters by cancelling out each autowin button PC´s have. (Which IMHO can lead to very frustrated PCs and DMs)</p><p></p><p>And if your players are doing it "right", 3.5 can fall apart on level 3 and upwards...</p><p></p><p>I could contribute a bit to the topic a bit, but I didn´t play a lot of 3rd edition after we changed to 4e... but at the end of 3.5 i hoped for:</p><p></p><p>- no instant win spells (funny for PCs, but a bit frustrating for DMs)</p><p>- hit point philosophy (I already tinkered with cure spells healing d12 on barbarians and d4 on wizards, as 1hp has different "meaning" for wizards and barbarians)</p><p>- useful and straightforward monster creating guidelines... (In the end, my monster conversions from 2nd edition ended in hp as appropriate, AC as appropriate, abilities like in 2nd edition)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 5285340, member: 59057"] Difficult to say, maybe I try to tell you what you maybe do right... - Maybe you didn´t misinterpret CR as "a typical combat only has one enemy" - Maybe you don´t allow scry buff and teleport stupidity - Maybe you have nice players, that don´t try to abuse the :):):):) out of some classes What you may be doing "wrong": - you say no, when PC´s wants to combo stuff without flavour, just to abuse some feartures of prestige classes - you may not allow creating every item the PCs want to have - you may not follow strict monster building guidelines, especially when you are creating "solos" What you could be doing wrong (i.e. unfair) - you could design your encounters by cancelling out each autowin button PC´s have. (Which IMHO can lead to very frustrated PCs and DMs) And if your players are doing it "right", 3.5 can fall apart on level 3 and upwards... I could contribute a bit to the topic a bit, but I didn´t play a lot of 3rd edition after we changed to 4e... but at the end of 3.5 i hoped for: - no instant win spells (funny for PCs, but a bit frustrating for DMs) - hit point philosophy (I already tinkered with cure spells healing d12 on barbarians and d4 on wizards, as 1hp has different "meaning" for wizards and barbarians) - useful and straightforward monster creating guidelines... (In the end, my monster conversions from 2nd edition ended in hp as appropriate, AC as appropriate, abilities like in 2nd edition) [/QUOTE]
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