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<blockquote data-quote="prosfilaes" data-source="post: 5896076" data-attributes="member: 40166"><p>That's a very binary split. And let's be honest; if you take the second style hardcore enough, there's 100% chance of a TPK. That's what happens to people in real life; even though the CR range is a lot lower in real life (there's probably no one more than a CR 6 in real life), if you start too many fights, one day you find someone is tougher or better connected then you thought or you're just unlucky and you die. In a D&D world? How exactly do you size up an opponent and tell whether they're first level or tenth? If the odds weren't weighed heavily towards the PCs, they'd never reach high levels. </p><p></p><p>And let's again go back to the scenario at hand. They've defeated a bunch of monks and an invisible monk they didn't know existed appears in front of them, so they couldn't have appropriately sized the opposition. They couldn't make a full retreat; they could have tried for a better position, but they couldn't have gotten away. If the DM hadn't pulled his punches, if they failed to defeat the monk, the monk was going to kill them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="prosfilaes, post: 5896076, member: 40166"] That's a very binary split. And let's be honest; if you take the second style hardcore enough, there's 100% chance of a TPK. That's what happens to people in real life; even though the CR range is a lot lower in real life (there's probably no one more than a CR 6 in real life), if you start too many fights, one day you find someone is tougher or better connected then you thought or you're just unlucky and you die. In a D&D world? How exactly do you size up an opponent and tell whether they're first level or tenth? If the odds weren't weighed heavily towards the PCs, they'd never reach high levels. And let's again go back to the scenario at hand. They've defeated a bunch of monks and an invisible monk they didn't know existed appears in front of them, so they couldn't have appropriately sized the opposition. They couldn't make a full retreat; they could have tried for a better position, but they couldn't have gotten away. If the DM hadn't pulled his punches, if they failed to defeat the monk, the monk was going to kill them. [/QUOTE]
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