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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 5782398" data-attributes="member: 6957">For a lot of folks it wasn't sudden - they saw 4e and WotC losing marketshare to an update of their older engine.I think that Essentials was an attempt at recapturing that share, but it did not succeed - in spite of a very nice price point for entering the game. (I actually expected Essentials to do well, but apparently it just muddied the waters.)Book sales in my area were way down, Amazon listed Pathfinder above 4e, and then ICv2....This decision was not made because folks at WotC felt that it was time for a new game, it is driven by the fact that sales were down. 4e peaked early, then began losing ground.I am happy enough with Pathfinder that I hope that 5e concentrates more on the 4e players; I am lost, not likely to come back to the fold. But I do not know how likely that is. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />The Auld Grump</blockquote>