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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 4002181" data-attributes="member: 42582">It is pretty clear that WoTC are trying to foreground the Temple of Elemental Evil in its modern interpretation (ie in which the Elder Elemental Evil is an aspect of Tharizdun), and to foreground Tharizdun as the god of entropy and dissolution.In this cosmology, I don't think there is really room to posit Tharizdun as the mere victim of a different ultimate cosmological evil.Why do you say this? It may be that you have misunderstood the word &quot;origin&quot; to mean &quot;ingame origin&quot;, whereas Wyatt clearly means &quot;literary origin&quot; and/or &quot;metagame origin&quot;. And Mezzodaemons and Nycadaemons DID originate (in this sense) in D3 The Vault of the Drow. They were mentioned in encounter tables and stat summary tables in the 1st ed DMG, with a cite to D3. Whether or not one thinks it is a good thing to return to this, there is no misrepresentation.Ultimately, the designers have chosen a Tharizdun/Elemental Evil cosmology over a Planescape/Yugoloth cosmology. Depending on one's tastes for planar tropes and literature this may or may not be a good thing, but I don't see how it can possibly be described as a lack of creativity, let alone as an act of deliberate malice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 4002181, member: 42582"] It is pretty clear that WoTC are trying to foreground the Temple of Elemental Evil in its modern interpretation (ie in which the Elder Elemental Evil is an aspect of Tharizdun), and to foreground Tharizdun as the god of entropy and dissolution. In this cosmology, I don't think there is really room to posit Tharizdun as the mere victim of a different ultimate cosmological evil. Why do you say this? It may be that you have misunderstood the word "origin" to mean "ingame origin", whereas Wyatt clearly means "literary origin" and/or "metagame origin". And Mezzodaemons and Nycadaemons DID originate (in this sense) in D3 The Vault of the Drow. They were mentioned in encounter tables and stat summary tables in the 1st ed DMG, with a cite to D3. Whether or not one thinks it is a good thing to return to this, there is no misrepresentation. Ultimately, the designers have chosen a Tharizdun/Elemental Evil cosmology over a Planescape/Yugoloth cosmology. Depending on one's tastes for planar tropes and literature this may or may not be a good thing, but I don't see how it can possibly be described as a lack of creativity, let alone as an act of deliberate malice. [/QUOTE]

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