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<blockquote data-quote="mhacdebhandia" data-source="post: 4003893" data-attributes="member: 18832">Come on, Todd. You sung a very different tune in the years before the Fourth Edition announcement when you complained (perhaps not unjustly, but that's not relevant) about all of the &quot;disregard and disrespect&quot; shown to Planescape's established canon in the same Third Edition products you're praising here - especially the Planar Handbook and the Book of Exalted Deeds. Remember? They gave the Lady of Pain a definite gender and alignment? They changed the names of all the guardinal leaders?Let's not pretend that Planescape qua Planescape has been respected and preserved in Third Edition. First Edition's Great Wheel is not the same as Second Edition's Planescape is not the same as Third Edition's Great Wheel, each is simply an alteration of what has come before to suit the needs of the present edition. Ask Erik Mona about what Planescape did to the politics of the Nine Hells he knew and loved in First Edition, for instance.Fourth Edition might be a more radical alteration, but it's a difference of degree, not kind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mhacdebhandia, post: 4003893, member: 18832"] Come [b]on[/b], Todd. You sung a very different tune in the years before the Fourth Edition announcement when you complained (perhaps not unjustly, but that's not relevant) about all of the "disregard and disrespect" shown to Planescape's established canon in the same Third Edition products you're praising here - especially the [i]Planar Handbook[/i] and the [i]Book of Exalted Deeds[/i]. Remember? They gave the Lady of Pain a definite gender and alignment? They changed the names of all the guardinal leaders? Let's not pretend that Planescape [i]qua[/i] Planescape has been respected and preserved in Third Edition. First Edition's Great Wheel is not the same as Second Edition's Planescape is not the same as Third Edition's Great Wheel, each is simply an alteration of what has come before to suit the needs of the present edition. Ask Erik Mona about what Planescape did to the politics of the Nine Hells he knew and loved in First Edition, for instance. Fourth Edition might be a more radical alteration, but it's a difference of degree, not kind. [/QUOTE]

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