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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8206551" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>So I'm going to start by saying a few unpopular things, and then hopefully get to a decent recommendation.</p><p></p><p>First, I don't much like Superman as a character or a hero. He's just ... too much. Too powerful. Too perfect. Too deus ex machina. He is not interesting, to me, in the way that other characters are. My favorite Superman arcs are always those that deliberately play against type; those that imagine him in other contexts (growing up in the Soviet Union in <em>Red Son</em>) or shackling himself to an arguably unjust cause (such as in<em> Dark Knight Returns</em>). </p><p></p><p>Second, I didn't much like either <em>Man of Steel</em> or the Zack Snyder Universe. I have often thought that Snyder has mostly dined out on the unexpected success of <em>300</em>, and hasn't much changed since then. <em>Watchmen</em>, while it had some good (even great) parts, such as the bravura opening sequence, was arguably his best superhero movie ... and it just wasn't a great movie, overall. It suffered the twin problems of both being too slavish to the original, and also not illuminating anything interesting through the use of a different medium. It was ... inert. While I appreciate that he took the DCEU in a different direction than the MCU, it just never felt right. <em>Man of Steel</em> soared to the heights of being perfectly cromulent at times, while still failing to either a satisfying version of Superman for fans of the hero, or providing a compelling alternate take that resonated. It was just there ... in shades of de-saturation. </p><p></p><p>Despite those harsh words, I think he also gets too much blame; for example, as bad as some of <em>BvS </em>is (Martha ....), watching the director's cut was a perfectly ... fine ... experience. It was fine. The biggest problem with <em>Justice League</em> wasn't Snyder, it was the awkward shoehorning in of a different style and different dialogue that obviously didn't fit. I'm intrigued to see how much color desaturation and very ... slow .... motion .... action sequences he can fit into 4 hours or so. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Now, for those of you are fans of the idealistic Superman, I have to admit that even I was moved when I watched <em>All-Star Superman</em> (based on the mini-series by Grant Morrison). It's an excellent DC Animated Film, and even someone that doesn't like "Boy Scout" Superman, like me ... well, it's powerful. So if you found <em>Man of Steel </em>a little grimdark and against the usual Supes ethos, go seek it out (it's streaming on HBO Max, and available other places I am sure).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8206551, member: 7023840"] So I'm going to start by saying a few unpopular things, and then hopefully get to a decent recommendation. First, I don't much like Superman as a character or a hero. He's just ... too much. Too powerful. Too perfect. Too deus ex machina. He is not interesting, to me, in the way that other characters are. My favorite Superman arcs are always those that deliberately play against type; those that imagine him in other contexts (growing up in the Soviet Union in [I]Red Son[/I]) or shackling himself to an arguably unjust cause (such as in[I] Dark Knight Returns[/I]). Second, I didn't much like either [I]Man of Steel[/I] or the Zack Snyder Universe. I have often thought that Snyder has mostly dined out on the unexpected success of [I]300[/I], and hasn't much changed since then. [I]Watchmen[/I], while it had some good (even great) parts, such as the bravura opening sequence, was arguably his best superhero movie ... and it just wasn't a great movie, overall. It suffered the twin problems of both being too slavish to the original, and also not illuminating anything interesting through the use of a different medium. It was ... inert. While I appreciate that he took the DCEU in a different direction than the MCU, it just never felt right. [I]Man of Steel[/I] soared to the heights of being perfectly cromulent at times, while still failing to either a satisfying version of Superman for fans of the hero, or providing a compelling alternate take that resonated. It was just there ... in shades of de-saturation. Despite those harsh words, I think he also gets too much blame; for example, as bad as some of [I]BvS [/I]is (Martha ....), watching the director's cut was a perfectly ... fine ... experience. It was fine. The biggest problem with [I]Justice League[/I] wasn't Snyder, it was the awkward shoehorning in of a different style and different dialogue that obviously didn't fit. I'm intrigued to see how much color desaturation and very ... slow .... motion .... action sequences he can fit into 4 hours or so. :) Now, for those of you are fans of the idealistic Superman, I have to admit that even I was moved when I watched [I]All-Star Superman[/I] (based on the mini-series by Grant Morrison). It's an excellent DC Animated Film, and even someone that doesn't like "Boy Scout" Superman, like me ... well, it's powerful. So if you found [I]Man of Steel [/I]a little grimdark and against the usual Supes ethos, go seek it out (it's streaming on HBO Max, and available other places I am sure). [/QUOTE]
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