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Monopoly is a lot like thermonuclear war in that the only way to win is not to play at all.

I think there's some confusion here about what "winning" is for exactly. You're focusing a lot on the competitive angle, which I agree...

Yeah, loss conditions tend to be things like "the demon is summoned," "the capital falls," "our political rival is elected," and the...

As I said, in the post immediately before yours, I think the players being able to decide on their goals is one of the primary...

I tend to compartmentalize the concept like this: A character of mine may "lose" something, like a magic item, a level, or it's "life"...

The seventh adventure is Before The Storm, a very straightforward adventure for level 10 characters about a black dragon who has taken...

I think the idea that the players can decide what their goals are is one of the primary attributes of good TRPG play. Upthread @Pedantic...

No it does not. Or, have you never lost playing solitaire?

I figured that you did! Yeah. I mean, I try to respect people's feelings, generally, but I don't - quite - understand why anyone is too...

If optimizing wasn't encouraged behavior by default the game shouldn't make optimizing good. Case in point: Swords & Wizardry Complete...

You do realise you just reversed the statement you were replying to. That they talked about optimizers trying to make people feel bad...

That is fair, but thats a general problem. Also if you just have "normal" players and bad ones at the table, or "normal" and optimizers...

Thats also utter nonsense. As I said in that other thread, I consider myself a power gamer and optimizer. Never was I told I disrupt...

That is absolutely not true. You can just design harder fights. But designing more difficult fights is not more demanding for the DM, at...

As usual, this is the opposite of my experience; optimizers are at their best in hard games, and in fact, are often bred by same. The...