D&D 5E Xanathar's Wiki of Everything: what's in the new book?

gyor · Jul 17, 2017

Kobold Stew said:
True, but blinking around a battlefield has nothing to do with horizons, where as plane shifting, getting beyond the limits of what one sees, absolutely is.

Its blinking across the battle field because its rapidly shifting inbetween different planes.

gyor · Jul 17, 2017

My guess will be this is the list.

Barbarian: Zealot, Storm Herald, Ancestoral Guardian
Bard: College of Swords, College of Satire
Cleric: Protection Domain, Grave Domain, Forge Domain, Arcana Domain.
Druid: Circle of the Sheppard, Circle of Twilight (maybe renamed)
Fighter: Cavalier, Arcane Archer
Monk: Kensai, Drunk Master, Tranquility
Paladin: Oath of the Crown, Oath of Conquest, Oath of Redemption.
Ranger: Primeval Guardian, Deep Stalker, Horizon Walker
Rogue: Swashbuckler, Inquistive, Scout
Sorceror: Favoured Soul, Stone, Water, Phoenix
Warlock: Undying Patron, Celestial Patron, Hexblade
Wizard: Theurge

gyor · Jul 17, 2017

Duplicate post oops.

pdegan2814 · Oct 3, 2017

gyor said:
For the SCAG I agree on Swashbuckler, the other three could be 3 Out of Undying Patron (when I first read it my first thought of thr Sorceror-Kings of Darksun), Oath of the Crown, Mastermind, Arcana Cleric, Tempest Sorceror. I don't think Mastermind was popular, and if they included Tempest Cleric along with Favoured Soul, Stone, Water, and Phoenix Sorceror that's 5 sorceror subclasses! My guess Arcana Domain, Oath of the Crown, Undying Patron, and Swashbuckler.

Of the SCAG subclasses, the ones I think are most likely to appear in Xanathar's are Swashbuckler Rogue, Arcana Cleric and Oath Of The Crown Paladin. Storm Sorcerer seems like a good candidate too, but there are several strong Sorcerer candidates from Unearthed Arcana already(I'm really hoping Stone Sorcerer makes it, and they really seem to be trying to make Favored Soul viable).

Kobold Stew · Oct 4, 2017

The stone sorcerer would be awesome -- agreed.

Li Shenron · Oct 5, 2017

I wonder which classes will get 3 new subclasses... have they made it official that there are "more than 25 new" i.e. not including SCAG reprints? Knowing the Wizard only gets one, it means 3 classes will get a third new subclass. I would guess Fighter (Arcane Archer) is the most likely IMHO, but for the others I have no idea.

steeldragons · Oct 5, 2017

A single page that simply has "42" in the center of it in 60 pt. Times Roman bolded type.

It is called the Guide to Everything, afterall.

Ketser · Oct 6, 2017

Li Shenron said:
I wonder which classes will get 3 new subclasses... have they made it official that there are "more than 25 new" i.e. not including SCAG reprints? Knowing the Wizard only gets one, it means 3 classes will get a third new subclass. I would guess Fighter (Arcane Archer) is the most likely IMHO, but for the others I have no idea.

Fighter is now confirmed to get 3, so there is probably only one other or maybe two, if the number is over 25 instead of just 25. There is a number of classes that could use some subclass love, namely bard, druid and ranger. An argument can also be made for barbarian and sorcerer.

When it comes to bard, we know that glamour is in and blade bard appeared among the revised subclasses and has high probablity to be in the book. But i don't think the college of whispers was popular to make it (and neither wasn't the college of satire).

Druid is similar, we know that circle of dreams is in and there have been hits of circle of shepherd being in, but college of twilight wasn't popular enough to make it.

When it comes to ranger, we have the horizon walker confirmed, but have no idea what the second might be. The deep stalker seems a high possibility, but primeval guardian seems doubtful.

Barbarian is something i find hard to predict. Barbarian got a subclass in SCAG, but the battlerager wasn't very popular, so it can be argued that the barbarian could use more subclass support. Ancestral Guardian was among the revision, so probably its in. There were people who really liked storm herald, but less who liked the zealot?

With sorcerer we have both two subclasses confirmed shadow and divine soul. Unlike the barbarian, its SCAG subclass was well received and has a possibility of appearing among the four SGAC classes in XGtE. So the one hand it could be said that sorcerer probably might not need to have another subclass on this book. But on the other hand there are mixed attitudes and issues with the sorcerer, so offering more to the sorcerer can be a decent step. Here in enworld the stone sorcerer seems to be a wanted addition, but this and the phoenix and sea were far less interesting to people than the Favored (or now divine) soul. Phoenix was probably the one with less interest, while Sea seemed to have some following, but concerns about it being too close to Storm, might push it back.

Of course there are other classes that might get the third. Cleric is a possibility, so is Warlock. Those classes have gotten a lot, but have still some thematic room that people are expecting to fill. Warlock is perhaps the most interesting case here. The Celestial patron is confirmed. Hexblade is suspected, but something to consider is that among the Warlock UA were a number of Seeker patron invocations. Was it a hint that its going to be in the XGtE? Were they in just because the subclass was shown earlier in UA and they wanted to add some non-core book Patron ones, but didn't want to add invocations specific to a subclass that had appeared in another class? Or are we actually getting three new Warlock patrons. The Raven Queen one is probably out, because it got pretty negative or rather meh reactions to its features. Might Undying patron make its appearance among the SCAG 4, but i'm not sure, while there were people who seem to like or expect it, the general attitude towards the patron seemed to be "not so interested." Also the fact that there were no undying patron invocation in the Warlock UA, can also mean that its not going to be among them.

Stopping for a moment on Cleric. Forge confirmed, Grave extremely possible. And lets be honest, although the features of the Protection domain weren't the greatest, it might have gotten through, because a lot of people were interested in Protection domain.

So there are possibilities, some more probable than others. I think its highly unlikely that monk, paladin or rogue are getting a third one. Or fighter a fourth...

Parmandur · Oct 6, 2017

Ketser said:
Fighter is now confirmed to get 3, so there is probably only one other or maybe two, if the number is over 25 instead of just 25. There is a number of classes that could use some subclass love, namely bard, druid and ranger. An argument can also be made for barbarian and sorcerer.

When it comes to bard, we know that glamour is in and blade bard appeared among the revised subclasses and has high probablity to be in the book. But i don't think the college of whispers was popular to make it (and neither wasn't the college of satire).

Druid is similar, we know that circle of dreams is in and there have been hits of circle of shepherd being in, but college of twilight wasn't popular enough to make it.

When it comes to ranger, we have the horizon walker confirmed, but have no idea what the second might be. The deep stalker seems a high possibility, but primeval guardian seems doubtful.

Barbarian is something i find hard to predict. Barbarian got a subclass in SCAG, but the battlerager wasn't very popular, so it can be argued that the barbarian could use more subclass support. Ancestral Guardian was among the revision, so probably its in. There were people who really liked storm herald, but less who liked the zealot?

With sorcerer we have both two subclasses confirmed shadow and divine soul. Unlike the barbarian, its SCAG subclass was well received and has a possibility of appearing among the four SGAC classes in XGtE. So the one hand it could be said that sorcerer probably might not need to have another subclass on this book. But on the other hand there are mixed attitudes and issues with the sorcerer, so offering more to the sorcerer can be a decent step. Here in enworld the stone sorcerer seems to be a wanted addition, but this and the phoenix and sea were far less interesting to people than the Favored (or now divine) soul. Phoenix was probably the one with less interest, while Sea seemed to have some following, but concerns about it being too close to Storm, might push it back.

Of course there are other classes that might get the third. Cleric is a possibility, so is Warlock. Those classes have gotten a lot, but have still some thematic room that people are expecting to fill. Warlock is perhaps the most interesting case here. The Celestial patron is confirmed. Hexblade is suspected, but something to consider is that among the Warlock UA were a number of Seeker patron invocations. Was it a hint that its going to be in the XGtE? Were they in just because the subclass was shown earlier in UA and they wanted to add some non-core book Patron ones, but didn't want to add invocations specific to a subclass that had appeared in another class? Or are we actually getting three new Warlock patrons. The Raven Queen one is probably out, because it got pretty negative or rather meh reactions to its features. Might Undying patron make its appearance among the SCAG 4, but i'm not sure, while there were people who seem to like or expect it, the general attitude towards the patron seemed to be "not so interested." Also the fact that there were no undying patron invocation in the Warlock UA, can also mean that its not going to be among them.

Stopping for a moment on Cleric. Forge confirmed, Grave extremely possible. And lets be honest, although the features of the Protection domain weren't the greatest, it might have gotten through, because a lot of people were interested in Protection domain.

So there are possibilities, some more probable than others. I think its highly unlikely that monk, paladin or rogue are getting a third one. Or fighter a fourth...

Good analysis. My bet is on Sorcerer getting 3, along with a reprint of the Storm Mage, considering the wide open conceptual space from the PHB alone.

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Rellott · Oct 7, 2017

Ketser said:
Warlock is perhaps the most interesting case here. The Celestial patron is confirmed. Hexblade is suspected, but something to consider is that among the Warlock UA were a number of Seeker patron invocations. Was it a hint that its going to be in the XGtE? Were they in just because the subclass was shown earlier in UA and they wanted to add some non-core book Patron ones, but didn't want to add invocations specific to a subclass that had appeared in another class? Or are we actually getting three new Warlock patrons.

Celestial and Seeker had some thematic overlap, so I would doubt both will show up. I haven’t looked at the Seeker invocations recently - would it be possible to refluff or slightly tweak them to work for Celestial? If so, I’d guess they’d do that.