Do you think it is reasonable not to tip your server?

[Bedrockgames]

Okay Mr. Pink

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Okay Mr. Pink

Um... I am hopeing by the smily face that isn't some insult? but I don't get it...

 

[Bedrockgames]

Um... I am hopeing by the smily face that isn't some insult? but I don't get it...

It is a reservoir reference and it was a joke. Steve Buschemi's character (Mr. pink) makes an argument for not tipping waitresses. He hits some of the same points as you. I would post a clip but it is loaded with swear words.

 

[Morrus]

Um... I am hopeing by the smily face that isn't some insult? but I don't get it...

He's referring to the fact that your position is identical to that portrayed by the character Mr. Pink (played by Steve Buscemi) in the movie Reservoir Dogs.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

He's referring to the fact that your position is identical to that portrayed by the character Mr. Pink (played by Steve Buscemi) in the movie Reservoir Dogs.

Ok, I know of the movie but never saw the whole thing...thanks I would never have picked up on that joke. Ok, maybe I would agree with his rant

 

[Bedrockgames]

by the way since you brought up commission, most people give commission people a hard time, they only get paid at allif they sell. I had that job too. Try working a week with 0 income because no one bough tanything, and worse instead of a thank you tip you got called names, hung up on and where told to stop bugging you.

i hope my reference to commission wasn't perceived as a knock on sales people. My father was a sales man, still is in fact, and I have very high regard for the occupation. I also think the way commission works, though brutal sometimes, is okay because people know you have to make sales going into it. You need the talent and skills, plus you have to work hard, but you can earn good money in sales and sales doesn't care what degree you have or where you come from. People with or without college background can get into and make a living based off their performance. Still it isn't for everyone. My dad did well, but even he had some rough years early on, and rough years on commission can be a real struggle. But the expectations for commission jobs are different from waitress jobs. With waitressing you expect to make some decent money if you work hard and do well, but you still expect that tips average out to minimum wage on bad days. With sales it is more extreme. You might make zero or close to it if you dont get sales, but you can make a lot more money than a server can if you do really well.

My feeling is, servers count on tips, and it is just common decency to pay them. You don't have to. No on can make you, but you ought to pay some minimum amount. And if the server does really well, then pay them a bit more. I think if you are truly upset with the service it is much better to complain to the manager.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

i hope my reference to commission wasn't perceived as a knock on sales people. My father was a sales man, still is in fact, and I have very high regard for the occupation. I also think the way commission works, though brutal sometimes, is okay because people know you have to make sales going into it. You need the talent and skills, plus you have to work hard, but you can earn good money in sales and sales doesn't care what degree you have or where you come from. People with or without college background can get into and make a living based off their performance. Still it isn't for everyone. My dad did well, but even he had some rough years early on, and rough years on commission can be a real struggle.

I didn't think it was a knock on salesmen, but I find it funny we feel the same way, but mine means I see tipping differently. I wont buy something I don't want/need just because the guy is on commission (although I am always nice to them, say things like "Sorry, not today)

just to put it another way:

I also think the way tipped wages, though brutal sometimes, is okay because people know you have to give great service going into it. You need the talent and skills, plus you have to work hard, but you can earn good money as a waiter, and no one care's what degree you have or where you come from. People with or without college background can get into and make a living based off their performance. Still it isn't for everyone.

 

[HardcoreDandDGirl]

The idea that someone sat down and said "I really want to be a waitress and make $2 an hour" is funny in my mind. I need money, and $2 an hour plus tips is better then 0. I would much rather work as a guard (I make more then double my state min wage an hour) then a bartender, but I don't get enough hours. I would rather bartend then go back to stripping, but if my rent is in question I would in a second. (Lucky for me I live with my girlfriend and a roommate right now and we are doing ok so that isn't likely)

 

[Bedrockgames]

I also think the way tipped wages, though brutal sometimes, is okay because people know you have to give great service going into it. You need the talent and skills, plus you have to work hard, but you can earn good money as a waiter, and no one care's what degree you have or where you come from. People with or without college background can get into and make a living based off their performance. Still it isn't for everyone.

We just disagree. Sales is an exception for me because it is different from other occupations including waitressing and sales people go in with much different expectations than servers. They are different because the potential rewards for commission are so much greater than the potential rewards of being server. If they don't get tips they get under minimum wage. If they get good tips they can make a living wage. I think you ought to tip some minimal amount even if the service isn't great (if it is bad, just complain to management). If you don't tip, you don't tip. It's up to you.

 

[Bedrockgames]

. I wont buy something I don't want/need just because the guy is on commission (although I am always nice to them, say things like "Sorry, not today) .

and you shouldn't, just like you shouldn't eat at a restaurant when your not hungry. But once you go in, you have put the servers to work for you and should tip. Otherwise they are just getting 2.63 an hour and you are still getting food and drink brought to your table (albeit at a rythym you find unnsatisfactory). My issue with this is so often, slow service has nothing to do with the wait staff. It often is a result of bad management, the kitchen, and other factors. If you complain to the manager, the issue causing the delay is a lot more likely to be resolved than if you just leave no tip.