We saw a Star War! Last Jedi spoiler thread

[JacktheRabbit]

Because rebels are sneaky sorts who might have tricks that they try to use.

(Now, I can see the First Order blokes, being the arrogant sods that they are, might make that assumption. But, absent critical concerns elsewhere that require the resources, it seems awfully negligent to not take safeguards.)

(On the other hand yet again, both militaries seem rather quite terrible at being military organizations. This would not be out of place for Star Wars.)

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TomB

At the very least you would expect the FO to ask themselves "Why did the Resistance run here? Maybe they have allies on those planets, lets go check them out" and then at the very least do flyovers of them all.

But yes, both sides are in a race to the bottom of the barrel of incompetence.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Sure, they had a fleet hidden in extra-galatic space. And it looked great at the Battle of Endor. But what did it actually do?

All the heavy lifting was done by a barely-trained Jedi, a young woman, a smuggler/pilot who for some reason was leading the ground assault, a Bigfoot, a former smuggler/city administrator who was piloting the smuggler/pilot's ship, and a pair of robots.

The Rebel fleet gave an assist, as did a bunch of carnivorous Teddy Bears.

i.e. the keys to the Rebel victory in RotJ were people, exactly the same kind of people fleeing Krait in the Falcon at the end of TLJ. It's almost as if this were by design!

Also, Finn is no more of a coward than Han was.

What do you think the odds are that in Episode IX Poe won't get another ship, the Resistance won't rally up a new fleet, Finn and Rose won't do something rally heroic and important, and generally-speaking, good won't triumph over evil?

Don't tell me the odds. I'll tell you. They're zero!


I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the scene with Yoda & the tree was foreshadowing.

BTW, what do you have against Leia?

What did the fleet do? It stuck around as a viable target. Otherwise the DS2 with Luke on-board would have hyperspaced away to avoid being damaged for no good reason.

Of course Poe will get another ship, its a flipping movie, they will all get new ships and new everything, but it wont be there. It will be allies giving them handouts because they lost EVERYTHING they had before.

Leia has shown no competence since the start of the new series. Heck they started with her sending a Fight Jock on a covert mission. You mean the resistance doesnt have any covert agents to you know, send on a covert mission? As we saw in Rogue One the Rebellion understood well the need for covert forces, why all of a sudden are there none here? Instead you send a fighter jock, a profession not known for humility on a covert mission, which would only feed his "think on his feet" and "fly by the seat of his pants" pilot personality. Of course he is going to continue acting that way and the result she gets miffed and demotes him for losing lives destroying a FO Super Cap ship.

 

[Morrus]

See also: Star Wars vs Star Trek, Coke vs Pepsi, Windows vs Mac, etc. It's a tribal thing - people tie up elements of their identity in things they probably shouldn't, and then any criticism of the thing becomes criticism of the tribe, becomes an attack on them.

Which sucks, especially if you're the guy in the middle (who sees benefits and flaws in both sides, and as a consequence is hated by everyone), but that's the world we live in, now more than ever.

I don’t think you got the memo. Everything is black and white, the best or the worst, good or evil. There is no nuance permitted on the internet.

 

[OB1]

... Heck they started with her sending a Fight Jock on a covert mission. You mean the resistance doesnt have any covert agents to you know, send on a covert mission? As we saw in Rogue One the Rebellion understood well the need for covert forces, why all of a sudden are there none here? Instead you send a fighter jock, a profession not known for humility on a covert mission, which would only feed his "think on his feet" and "fly by the seat of his pants" pilot personality. Of course he is going to continue acting that way and the result she gets miffed and demotes him for losing lives destroying a FO Super Cap ship.

She sent Poe because she trusted him and she trusts him because they’re lovers.

That’s right, Poe and Leia are a couple. He’s another dangerous flyboy just like she fell for before and just like her mother fell for in the PT.

Don’t believe me? Look at the way she slaps him and the way he later holds her hand when she’s in a coma. There is more than friendship there.

And before anyone complains about the age difference, ask yourself if that would be a question if it were a 65 year old man with a 39 year old woman.


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[billd91]

One could argue that all the Rebellion really needed to do was send Luke. He surrendered was brought before the Empire and the end result was a dead Vader and Emperor. Did we need the surface fight and fleet battle to encourage Luke to defeat Vader? Once both of them are dead Luke either leaves or he sabotages the DS2 from the inside.

To me the oddest part of all is the Rebellion planned the entire assault on the DS2 with no specific plan on how to use the only living Jedi in existence.

Yeah, a Jedi who they didn't realize was available... or probably even realize was completing his training, or even that he was actually training as a Jedi since his running off to Dagobah was pretty secretive. In any event, his presence was unreliable at best from their perspective, so they had to make their plans without him as a factor. Notice they did so without specifically planning for either Chewie or Leia either. They had to volunteer.

So no, they couldn't rely on sending Luke into the Death Star 2 and hope for the best.

 

[ccs]

What did the fleet do? It stuck around as a viable target. Otherwise the DS2 with Luke on-board would have hyperspaced away to avoid being damaged for no good reason.

I doubt it. The Emperor was the one who intentionally laid & baited a trap that the Alliance couldn't pass up. He WANTED his new DS to be sitting there shooting at Rebel capitol ships.

 

[Kaodi]

I would love to see Wedge Antilles back in the series, but apparently the actor is not interested.

Anyway, the idea of ditching the X-Wing for something new is not a bad idea. Wonder what letter they could turn into a design. I hope the design would have a bit more longevity that the Naboo fighters...

 

[Hussar]

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Leia has shown no competence since the start of the new series. Heck they started with her sending a Fight Jock on a covert mission. You mean the resistance doesnt have any covert agents to you know, send on a covert mission? As we saw in Rogue One the Rebellion understood well the need for covert forces, why all of a sudden are there none here? Instead you send a fighter jock, a profession not known for humility on a covert mission, which would only feed his "think on his feet" and "fly by the seat of his pants" pilot personality. Of course he is going to continue acting that way and the result she gets miffed and demotes him for losing lives destroying a FO Super Cap ship.

You mean like how they send Han Solo in to blow up the shield base on Endor? I mean, doesn't the Rebellion have ANY covert ops specialists? No, instead we're going to send in a completely untrained civilian.

Again, this is the point I made earlier. The convenient "forgetting" of the sins of the earlier movies in order to "prove" how the new movies are so bad.

I'd also point out that she demotes Poe for disobeying direct orders. Y'know, that pesky thing that trained military people ALWAYS get demoted for? I know, it's totally unbelievable that Leia would demote someone for something so trivial, but, hey, why be reasonable? Much more fun to try to prove how bad something is by playing very fast and loose with facts.

 

[Sadras]

You mean like how they send Han Solo in to blow up the shield base on Endor? I mean, doesn't the Rebellion have ANY covert ops specialists? No, instead we're going to send in a completely untrained civilian.

Again, this is the point I made earlier. The convenient "forgetting" of the sins of the earlier movies in order to "prove" how the new movies are so bad.

According to http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_strike_team
Han Solo signed up with the Alliance permanently and had been given the commission to act as a General. Not exactly a completely untrained civilian or considered as such.

Han Solo was a smuggler as is the Onion Knight in GoT both considered far more valuable and skilled (despite their lack of training) than a regular civilian.

That is not to say that I disagree with your overall position, but perhaps that is not case in this instance.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Yeah, a Jedi who they didn't realize was available... or probably even realize was completing his training, or even that he was actually training as a Jedi since his running off to Dagobah was pretty secretive. In any event, his presence was unreliable at best from their perspective, so they had to make their plans without him as a factor. Notice they did so without specifically planning for either Chewie or Leia either. They had to volunteer.

So no, they couldn't rely on sending Luke into the Death Star 2 and hope for the best.

Not true. When they parted ways in tatooine Leia tells luke to hurry because the fleet is likely to have finished gathering.

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