D&D (2024) How should the Warlord be implemented in 1DnD?

[Garthanos]

. I think what they should do is enable hit die expenditure with a bonus, how big a bonus would depend on the ability or maybe it could be level based.

The idea of fast spending of hd is an interesting one all it really enables is a bit more stability in a bigger fight.

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[Jefe Bergenstein]

Not a lot of hit points quickly

Not quickly by definition

I didn't describe it as anything so why are you putting words in my mouth? I said what I said.

Because I can't fathom a logical objection to having someone motivate another person to push past the pain or fight on despite being exhausted or hurt. Have you never had a coach, trainer, or even seen physical therapy? If it's all just bumps and nicks, the only reason is some arbitrary divide you've landed on.

 

[Vaalingrade]

But a class called the Warlord that gets all that stuff shoehorned into it and other classes don't get those options? Nah.

And this is why niche protection needs deletion.

 

[Mistwell]

Because I can't fathom a logical objection to having someone motivate another person to push past the pain or fight on despite being exhausted or hurt. Have you never had a coach, trainer, or even seen physical therapy? If it's all just bumps and nicks, the only reason is some arbitrary divide you've landed on.

It's not arbitrary it's an extremely popular divide. I didn't land on it, generations of RPG players fairly collectively landed on it. There is a comfort zone for what is and is not magical in a fantasy game. Most of us agree hit points represent a wide array of things, but most of us also agree healing a lot of hitpoints in 6 seconds or less is generally magical in nature, but are comfortable healing a smaller amount in that same time (like second wind) or healing a larger amount over a longer period of time (like hit dice). I also think, for whatever reason, people are more comfortable with granting more temporary hit points in a short period of time even if the net effect in-game is rather similar to healing those same number of hit points.

If your preferences fall outside that majority view, there is nothing at all wrong with that. I think all of us have some preferences which are not the norm and I don't judge anyone for differing on what they prefer in their D&D. But you not being able to fathom how someone can disagree with your preference, that's on you not me. We all need to accept these differences in preferences and work hard to understand how others view things without judging their views as badwrongfun or inferring ill intent or lack of knowledge. All I did was state my preferences. Accept that.

 

[Mistwell]

And this is why niche protection needs deletion.

And when people say they don't want D&D to be a generic fantasy system and others say nobody is advocating that, "delete niche protection" is one thing we're talking about. The less niche protection, the more generic the game becomes.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Being yoked by tradition is not really a valid reason for anything.

And being competently designed is not 'generic'.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Maybe make the warlord abilities more a product of higher level play for characters with followers and such

Nah, it’s a fiction that doesn’t need to be high level.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It's not arbitrary it's an extremely popular divide. I didn't land on it, generations of RPG players fairly collectively landed on it. There is a comfort zone for what is and is not magical in a fantasy game. Most of us agree hit points represent a wide array of things, but most of us also agree healing a lot of hitpoints in 6 seconds or less is generally magical in nature, but are comfortable healing a smaller amount in that same time (like second wind) or healing a larger amount over a longer period of time (like hit dice). I also think, for whatever reason, people are more comfortable with granting more temporary hit points in a short period of time even if the net effect in-game is rather similar to healing those same number of hit points.

If your preferences fall outside that majority view, there is nothing at all wrong with that. I think all of us have some preferences which are not the norm and I don't judge anyone for differing on what they prefer in their D&D. But you not being able to fathom how someone can disagree with your preference, that's on you not me. We all need to accept these differences in preferences and work hard to understand how others view things without judging their views as badwrongfun or inferring ill intent or lack of knowledge. All I did was state my preferences. Accept that.

Prove that your view is the majority.

 

[Mistwell]

Prove that your view is the majority.

No. I never was arguing it was a majority view from the beginning as my premise (and if you dare cut the words "from the beginning" in your reply I'm gonna blow a gasket) all I said was what my preferences were and the guy came after me so I explained it's not like I am alone in that preference so it can't be that wild a view for him that he'd find it so hard to literally fathom. Now you're sealioning me? Accept the basis of preference is purely my own experience and that was why I answered the way I did before he came after me claiming my view must be arbitrary because he can't fathom it. Accept you cannot force me to share your preferences on this topic. And let it go from there.

 

[Incenjucar]

Warlords were beloved in 4E. They could not heal as well as clerics, but the healing they had was accepted just fine.