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So...this is the new Ettercap?:(

Lurks-no-More

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Wulfram said:
Yeah, it reminded me quite a bit of my Warhammer Dryads. Though after a quick search it seems the WH dryads have now been made more spindly since I stopped playing
Here's a link to a GW gallery of dryads. Of course, those are dryads on the battlefield, angry about someone intruding into their home forest; a calm and relaxed dryad might be much less creepy-looking.
 

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Zamkaizer

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Simia Saturnalia said:
Also: tieflings are red, then? So it's actually a Hellboy thing?
I don't know how I feel about that. And the cleric looks frelling retarded holding his tail like that.

I believe the Tiefling in question is a 'her.'
 

HeavenShallBurn

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I don't really mind changing the appearance of monsters around, at least within reason.

BUT WoTC PLEASE, GET BETTER ARTISTS. YOU COULD FIND THEM WITH A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH

Tell me which of the below ettercaps you prefer. 1.) the 4e version 2.)CoW version
 

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Felon

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HeavenShallBurn said:
I don't really mind changing the appearance of monsters around, at least within reason.

BUT WoTC PLEASE, GET BETTER ARTISTS. YOU COULD FIND THEM WITH A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH

Tell me which of the below ettercaps you prefer. 1.) the 4e version 2.)CoW version
Seems like the deck is a bit stacked, since one is a rough sketch and the other is a polished, photoshopped piece of work. But yes, the "CoW" (whatever that means) version looks pretty cool. Then again, I think WotC actively intend for certain creatures look less than terrfiying; they want some schlub monsters that look eminently defeatable.
 

HeavenShallBurn

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Felon said:
Seems like the deck is a bit stacked, since one is a rough sketch and the other is a polished, photoshopped piece of work. But yes, the "CoW" (whatever that means) version looks pretty cool. Then again, I think WotC actively intend for certain creatures look less than terrfiying; they want some schlub monsters that look eminently defeatable.

One is finished and polished the other is rough, I would have picked something closer to a sketch but I don't have many images that could work for an ettercap. Spiderish is not my favorite look given that I'm an slight arachnophobe so choices were limited.

Thing is even taken back to a rough level the posing and anatomy of the CoW (Creature of the Week) version is much better. One it looks far more like a spider in structure than the grub with legs sketch. The WoTC version simply doesn't look threatening, it looks like you turned over a fallen log and handed a couple weapons to what you found there. It isn't something players are going to look at and think of as a threat even to low-level characters. When monsters look like shlubs even if they were meant to be used at lower level that interferes with their perception as a threat and lessens the impact of victory over them.
 

KB9JMQ

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I am not a skirmish player (that's what Heroscape is for) but I like these minis.
I have everyone made so far and plan on buying this set.
Yeah some might not be the best but the time and talent it takes to do even a decent mini makes it worth my while to buy these.
Besides my kids love these things and play with them all the time.
 

Felon

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HeavenShallBurn said:
The WoTC version simply doesn't look threatening, it looks like you turned over a fallen log and handed a couple weapons to what you found there. It isn't something players are going to look at and think of as a threat even to low-level characters.
I think you're in the right area here. Only certain monsters are supposed to see genuinely threatening. The rest you take a sword to without hesitation--kill them and take their stuff. D&D is way more about inducing a sense of empowerment than menace.
 

HeavenShallBurn

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Felon said:
I think you're in the right area here. Only certain monsters are supposed to see genuinely threatening. The rest you take a sword to without hesitation--kill them and take their stuff. D&D is way more about inducing a sense of empowerment than menace.
We must be playing a different game because my players have never hesitated in attacking just about anything despite how threatening it looked. How much sense of empowerment can a person get from defeating a monster that looks like your seven year-old daughter could thrash it. The point of the game is that the PCs are the ones who go out and crush the things that terrify most everyone else. Even for low-level characters the monsters need to actually be threatening in appearance to convey why all the other people who asked them for help didn't just deal with it themselves. Monsters that don't appear dangerous enough are even more of a problem than monsters that appear too threatening.
 

Felon said:
Seems like the deck is a bit stacked, since one is a rough sketch and the other is a polished, photoshopped piece of work. But yes, the "CoW" (whatever that means) version looks pretty cool. Then again, I think WotC actively intend for certain creatures look less than terrfiying; they want some schlub monsters that look eminently defeatable.

I'd like my characters to face powerful and intimidating foes. That means something more like CoW than the stupid grasshopper/roach thing we got with the 4E ettercap.
 

Nebulous

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ehren37 said:
I'd like my characters to face powerful and intimidating foes. That means something more like CoW than the stupid grasshopper/roach thing we got with the 4E ettercap.

I agree, but a simple solution is to SHOW the players that creepy ass picture of the CoW ettercap and simply use the plastic grasshopper as the token. They'll be plenty creeped out.

Alternatively, the "less threatening" miniature in the new set (which i agree is not particularly scary) might look like a pushover (a bug under a rock so to speak), but maybe it packs a serious wallop that sends low level PC's running for the hills.
 

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