D&D 5E D&D 5.5e; Your wish for 5.5e update.

[Ashrym]

That's quite the list, @1720x. I agree with some, disagree with some, but gagged on your "more skills and languages at creation" bullet. As it stands, a human fighter is proficient in nearly 25% of skills at 1st level. He can also speak 25% of the standard languages as a baseline. It isn't difficult by any stretch for the core adventuring party to boast proficiency in every skill and fluency all standard languages.

ooor….

Someone made a new account just to necro a 3 year old thread claiming we would be in a new edition a year and a half ago? ;-)

 

[HarbingerX]

Necro-thread begone! I command you to return to the foul domain from which you came!

 

[mrpopstar]

ooor….

Someone made a new account just to necro a 3 year old thread claiming we would be in a new edition a year and a half ago? ;-)

Ugh! I failed my save. X_x

 

[Ashrym]

Ugh! I failed my save. X_x

lol, I've failed that save enough times it's one of the first things I look at.

 

[Horwath]

 

[CapnZapp]

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Welcome to the forums, 1720x!

 

[Sacrosanct]

ooor….

Someone made a new account just to necro a 3 year old thread claiming we would be in a new edition a year and a half ago? ;-)

Especially odd since there's about a dozen threads on this very same topic, and they decided to necro one of the oldest ones?

 

[Ashrym]

Especially odd since there's about a dozen threads on this very same topic, and they decided to necro one of the oldest ones?

And then never comes back to the thread necroed or makes another post? Someone should look into how many of these are created by the same person.

 

[dave2008]

• Static Spell saves and DCs
• Bring back bonus spells (These felt better to me in 3x than the DC bumps ever did)
• Meaningful Spell caster feats
• Bake in class essential feats and spells into the class (Hex is a warlock class feature not a spell) Spell sniper should be built in to all casters
• More non concentration buffs, or allow a high upcast to remove the need for concentration on low level spells (Think casting bless at 5th level)
• Clean up smite, this power while it serves as an threat mechanic for paladins is all over the place.
• Make other former Defender classes have a viable Defender subclass, The barbarian outshines everyone in the defense department, Maybe bake in Heavy armor master (But a bit better) into the fighter defender sub class, and give the paladin something, as the class is closer to the avenger at current, Here I will say it may even be worth losing smite or severely dampening it for a more defensive option
• Make paladin features more useful, The disease immunity is rare, Sense evil is pathetic. These 2 need to be given some point of use or just be removed and replaced, that simple.
• Also on the topic of paladins, and adding clerics, they need to sort out their identity, as they are becoming spiritually the same class. Maybe make the paladin a full caster but with more limited options for spells but heavy armor and great weapons (Restrict spells to healing, defensive, martial buffs, and effect removal) take the cleric, rename to priest and remove armor proficiency, Priests get access to the full cleric list plus some of the domain only spells as they make sense, All Priest healing is ranged, add more damage prevention spells (THP Resistance and the like to priests tool kit) reduce hit die to a d6. Base all abilities off of Wis and Cha. Paladin to become the classic cleric Priest becomes the Healing mage.
• Clean up spell riders, The left overs from 1 and 2 E that made lots of sense in that world, but now are just odd ball effects that cause more headaches than fun (The penalty on raise dead, the zombie from finger of death, Alignment based triggers should be made optional) Each of these calls back to times past, Finger of death was designed for when a necromancer could have a legion of undead, Raise is just being out classed by a lower level spell and becoming a niche use, alignment is now really not used by a lot of DMs
• Just redo the Sorcerer, ANd give us more bloodlines that are actually impactful, I think this is one of the few things 4E got right, but Pathfinder did also, give bonus spells, bonuses to spells, and tweaks on how spells work based on bloodline.
• Give non lore bards access (Via a feat) to a fighting style
• Fighting style feats (Let anyone on the front line pick one of these up)
• Re work spell lists, grant all arcane casters wider access to spells (This hurt the sorcerer in 5E)
• Re do basic stats for default characters Start at 10s not 8s allow higher totals at creation as stats will no longer be tied to spell saves/dcs, but apply fun bonuses such as bonus spells and damage boosts keeping them relevant but not game breaking
• Remove the feat/stat bump increase choice, this choice is a no brainer for some classes and cripples the progression of others who are very feat dependent (Ranger)
• Bake Sharp shooter into ranger class as well as hunter's mark
• return max range to sneak attack (Was max range 30)
• More skills and languages at creation
• More feats (Not to the extent of 3rd or 4th but probably 1 every 3-5 class levels depending on class feature depth)
• Change dated monster effects and conditions
  • Remove ghost's aging, replace with target loses one spell slot or use of a limited class feature
  • Mummy rot becomes a dot dealing d10 necrotic /round until removed and is a disease
  • Dragons are spell casters and give them a sample spell list in templates
  • Demilich give it spells FFS
  • Humanoids: Give us examples at several different levels (Low Mid and possibly high) for goblins gnolls and the like
• Races
  • Make Ability bonuses more variable and do not tie them to a sub race
  • tie extras to sub race
  • Bake in the racial feats in full
  • Bake half humans together re add Vryloca and Shifter and Changeling
    • Unbind the +2 using sub race to place it
    • Asamar, teifling and Genasi could also fall under this heading
• Increasing weapon damage (Number of dice) with higher levels, the static number creep means the damage die becomes largely irrelevant after a point in advancement so make a + 1 long sword do 2d8 + str meaning a +3 Longsword weilded by a max level fighter with maximum strength would do 4d8+5
• Return to caster level scaling, use upcast scaling for range area, and targets effected
• More spells of 6-9 3 max daily at cap would be about right since a casting attribute above 20 would be difficult to maintain
• Use 4E treasure method and return recommended levels to magical items (This was a useful guideline for handing out equipment
  • Starting a game at higher levels generate and playtest sample starting gear sets (Ie weapon +2 Armor +1 2 potions of greater healing and 20 magical ammunition at levels 10-15)
  • PLAYTEST HIGH AND CAP LEVEL EXTENSIVELY
    • There is a lot to be said about having a plan for end game, to dedicate a chapter or more to handling 20th level adventurers, and how to reward them when EXP is not the driving force of advancement any longer. Explore options like magical item progression, Arch foes and the intrigues surrounding them, and founding a faith, kingdom, etc. as well as other potential end game progression options.
    • Options for picking up missed class features for cap level multi classed characters
    • Legendary magic (Scrap the epic spells these should be worth a level just to cast a single one
    • Any other ideas as well should be explored
• Revise CR and Exp tables
  • Use 3 different CR for easy read CR (Creature vs 1 PC) CR 4 (CR vs classic 4 man party) CR 8 (Vs parties of 6+)
    • Rate CR based as follows:
      • 1 Action economy, accuracy
      • 2 Mobility and utility and damage potential
      • 3 defense
        • Action economy is king as PCs usually have the upper hand here, but a cr 3 monster capable of getting 4 attacks would be considerably more threatening than a CR 5 Monster with one attack Likewise a monster capable of removing a PC from combat with a single swing is far more powerful than a monster with twice the health and half the damage potential
        • Utility is an indicator of how well a monster synergizes in a group, and how mobile it is, highly mobile foes may be very difficult for the PCs to even attempt to attack, and foes that buff others are far more dangerous in groups than alone
      • CRs need not be the same across all three rankings, generally the larger the party the lower it's cr will be. As a side note this should not decrease the EXP value as the divide will handle this when dealing with a larger party.
  • WHen determining CR check that effects the creature can inflict are either temporary, or that the party will have the means to resolve the condition internally If not revise the monster to a higher CR or adjust the ability accordingly. The assumption that the party will all make a saving throw or that there will be a friendly healer in every town should not be presumed and a cr 3 monster should be able to be dealt with by a 3rd level party including after battle cleansing where necessary. This means that all lasting conditions should be able to be removed by at most a second level spell, or fall off after a rest if they are not.
  • Reduce the death's door threshold
    • Attacks that reduce a player to between 0 and -15 the character makes death saves normally
    • Attacks reducing a character to between -15 and -30 character auto fails first death save and must make 3 to stabilize
    • attacks reducing a character between -30 and -45 the character is considered to have failed 2 death saves, one more failure results in death or 3 successes stabilize the character
    • attacks reducing a character beyond -45 inform next of kin
  • This should reign in the viability of the healing word revive tactics as being alive with 8th HP increases the chances exponentially of being reduced to -45 HP by the attacks coming in on the next round.
• Healing
  • Healing needs to be made more efficient, As the current state of the game stands Healing is not a part of combat except in emergencies, and even then takes exponentially more effort than dealing damage (3d8 inflict vs 1d8 cure). this said healing should be divided into 2 types
    • first large single targtet heals used as emergency buttons for a party
    • second small slow cast high efficiency healing used between battles.
    • This line may blur in spells above 4th or 5th level
  • An example would be Cure wounds (Level 1) restores 2d8 hp to 1 targer with in 30 feet adding 1d8 per caster level up cast removes the effects of one poison (2nd) disease (3rd) or allows the regrowth of a lost body part over the next 1d6+1 days (4th) reducing the time rolled by 1 day per level beyond 4th minimum 1 day
  • another example would be rejuvinate Level 1 range 30 feet all creatures spending hit dice may roll 2 dice per hit die spent and add the caster's level to their constitution modifier. at higher levels this ability allows one poison or disease to be neutralized form one creature for each spell level higher it is cast.

That seems like more than a 5.5e

 

[dave2008]

Especially odd since there's about a dozen threads on this very same topic, and they decided to necro one of the oldest ones?

The older the better for us necros! I don't know my record (by accident mind you), but it was at least an 11 year old thread!