D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[mamba]

We should await, at least until the end of this month. I guess they are going to recover the money, and D&D as brand will more valious than before.

what do you mean by recover the money? Make 150M at the box office? That is nowhere close to recovering the money

 

[Random Task]

I wonder if anything changes if they played it more straight. Maybe a lot of the people who want fantasy comedy are already watching actual plays on YouTube.

 

[Umbran]

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[CommodoreKong]

From a quantitative perspective, would likely involve more research than I'm willing to do. But qualitatively, it's a vanilla genre movie with a longstanding somewhat niche IP. Maybe something like Ender's Game?

Edit: though even that is a bit limited since Ender's Game as a series has specific stories to tell where D&D is more 'fantasy tropes, the tabletop roleplaying game'

Edit 2: In general I wasn't really talking about the success of the movie as much as the forecasting of likely future projects based solely on quantitative characteristics without consideration for qualitatively differences, which, to my mind, are equally if not more important.

You say 'Detective Pikachu' made xyz$ and doesn't have a sequel yet; if D&D doesn't make at least that much, it won't get a sequel either.

I say, there are a lot of reasons movies don't get made, and past financial performance is only one of them. A Detective Pikachu sequel, to me, seems a lot more difficult to put together than a D&D sequel. You couldn't confidently give Michael Bay a Detective Pikachu movie series, where I think you probably could give him D&D. (Not that I'd want this for D&D movies, but it just isn't that complicated an IP or set of concepts to work with).

At the end of the day if you feel like Ender's Game is a better comparison because of different factors it really doesn't matter, that film also never got a sequel due to poor box office performance.

The combination of this movie either loosing money or maybe eventually limping to breaking even after everything is counted, along Hasbro selling it's film production company really speaks to the chances of a sequel being made. And I hate to say it those chances aren't good. I would love to be wrong. I loved Honor Among Thieves and would love to see a sequel. But I'm just being realistic about it's chances of getting a sequel.

 

[bedir than]

Hasbro selling it's film production company

Chris Cocks is very clear. They aren't selling the whole thing. They will still be producing the films and series and shows for their owned IP.

The surprisingly complex business of toys, with Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks

The drama and complexity of D&D, toys, and entertainment, with Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks.

www.theverge.com

Paramount already paid 8 or 9 figures for one of the 3 TV series in development too.

 

[Eyes of Nine]

My expectation is us D&D nerds all went to see it. I'd be interested to see exactly what the ratio of 5e PHB's sold vs movie tickets sold is (assume $10 per ticket). And review that across markets. I have this weird feeling that it's going to be about 1:1 or maybe 2 PHBs per 1 ticket sold.

In other words, the D&D fans went and saw it; but gen pop did not. As opposed to MCU, where not just comic fans went to see it; but gen pop was on board also

It helps in comics that there are several successful "branches" of comic books in our pop culture such as Spider-man, Batman, and Superman (all other MCU properties pale in cultural cachet to those 3 - perhaps due to 60's/70's shows, perhaps other reasons)

Until there are other successful RPG fictional franchises, I don't think a D&D movie, even one done just right (which I think DADHAT is that movie) will make significant box office headway with gen pop. WotC can continue to try to push that way - but that's not really the way film/tv production works unless you have unlimited budget to burn. Hasbro does not have that - at least not at Hollywood scale

Now if you can get Stephanie Meyers, Cassandra Clare, Leigh Bardugo, Holly Black (wait - what?!), and/or Suzanne Collins - all huge YA fantasy authors - to write multiple NYT best-selling series set in/around any of the existing Hasbro IP; well maybe THEN you'd get the crowds. Especially the ever elusive tween/teen/young adult girl/woman market

(Holly Black working with her partner Tony Deterlizzi on a Planescape YA novel series?!? Yes please)

 

[MwaO]

Movie Comparison: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (2023) vs. Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)

Domestic box office comparison between Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (2023) and Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)

www.the-numbers.com

Basically, if you lop out the first day, the two movies are almost exactly the same on revenue — Fantastic Beasts got an extra $5M there.
So unless something changes, we should expect D&D to get to $90M domestic. If you compare their international revenue, D&D seems to be doing about half what FB did on initial openings/going forward(this is bad), so maybe get to $110M-$130M international. That's $200-220M, so sees $100-110M of that on $150M expenses.

 

[Zardnaar]

My expectation is us D&D nerds all went to see it. I'd be interested to see exactly what the ratio of 5e PHB's sold vs movie tickets sold is (assume $10 per ticket). And review that across markets. I have this weird feeling that it's going to be about 1:1 or maybe 2 PHBs per 1 ticket sold.

In other words, the D&D fans went and saw it; but gen pop did not. As opposed to MCU, where not just comic fans went to see it; but gen pop was on board also

It helps in comics that there are several successful "branches" of comic books in our pop culture such as Spider-man, Batman, and Superman (all other MCU properties pale in cultural cachet to those 3 - perhaps due to 60's/70's shows, perhaps other reasons)

Until there are other successful RPG fictional franchises, I don't think a D&D movie, even one done just right (which I think DADHAT is that movie) will make significant box office headway with gen pop. WotC can continue to try to push that way - but that's not really the way film/tv production works unless you have unlimited budget to burn. Hasbro does not have that - at least not at Hollywood scale

Now if you can get Stephanie Meyers, Cassandra Clare, Leigh Bardugo, Holly Black (wait - what?!), and/or Suzanne Collins - all huge YA fantasy authors - to write multiple NYT best-selling series set in/around any of the existing Hasbro IP; well maybe THEN you'd get the crowds. Especially the ever elusive tween/teen/young adult girl/woman market

(Holly Black working with her partner Tony Deterlizzi on a Planescape YA novel series?!? Yes please)

Unlikely that woukd mean 10 million+ phb sold in 3 weeks.

It woukd be number 1 on Amazon and putting Harry Potter to shame.

 

[mamba]

Unlikely that woukd mean 10 million+ phb sold in 3 weeks.

It woukd be number 1 on Amazon and putting Harry Potter to shame.

pretty sure they meant lifetime PHB sales, nothing else makes sense

 

[bedir than]

Up over 157 million now after a strong weekend internationally. Number 6 movie in the world for the year, leaping past Shazam 2.

Lost ~500 theaters domestically on this crowded weekend