Eldritch Theurge

[satori01]

Not necessarily... a Warmage/Warlock could still easily qualify for the class, and thus be able to cast in Light Armor. Same goes for Bard/Warlock, ( a combo you would probably never see, but it has some good aspects, blast a bad guy while laying down an area buff on your friends).

The Twilight magic armor enchantment from the Magic Item Compendium also reduces ASF on armors.

 

[rgard]

One of the advantages of a Warlock is the ability to wear light armor & still use invocations. If you were to go the Eldritich Theurge route, then you would either mulit-class as a warlock/wizard or warlock/sorcerer. I'm not a huge rules guy, but wouldn't this mean that once you started gaining levels as say a sorcerer that you would have arcane spell failure possiblities due to your wearing light armor? If this is true, then wouldn't this mean that your going the Eldritch Theurge route is taking away a fairly good warlock advantage for good (abiility to wear light armor)??

Is there something I'm missing here? What are your options to getting around this or should you just accept that as an Eldritch Theurge, you won't be wearing armor? Any & all advice is appreciated.

If you really want to cast light armor, play a Battle Sorcerer/Warlock/ET. The Battle Sorcerer is in UA.

Either that or take a level in Urban Savant (Cityscape, I think.)

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Shellman]

Additionally, can a sorcerer/warlock enter eldritch theurge? Or is it limited to wizard/warlocks?

I am currently playing a Sorcerer 4 (Metamagic specialist)/ Warlock 4/ Eldritch Theurge 6. This works nicely since you can focus on a good Dex and high Cha score for your abilities. IMO Sorcer fits better with this PrC than wizard!

The Eldritch Spellblast = area spell on to EB
Eldritch Spellweave = essence invocation on to a spell.
These can be really devistating when combining a spell with your EB.

Iv'e used the heck out of fireball, explosive cascade and some of the new invocations.

I am playing in a game where the party is stuck in a frozen layer of the abyss. We are fighting Frost Giants all over the place, so I picked up Baneful Blast (lesser invocation) to add 2d6 EB damage to evil outsiders.

SR can be a problem, so I picked up Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration!
I picked up Practiced Spellcaster to up my caster level for my sorcerer spells.

There is a new Dark Invocation called Penetrating Blast that adds +4 CL for your EB and an additional effect (can't remember what it does right now).

Just food for thought! Hope this helps.

 

[rgard]

I am currently playing a Sorcerer 4 (Metamagic specialist)/ Warlock 4/ Eldritch Theurge 6. This works nicely since you can focus on a good Dex and high Cha score for your abilities. IMO Sorcer fits better with this PrC than wizard!

The Eldritch Spellblast = area spell on to EB
Eldritch Spellweave = essence invocation on to a spell.
These can be really devistating when combining a spell with your EB.

Iv'e used the heck out of fireball, explosive cascade and some of the new invocations.

I am playing in a game where the party is stuck in a frozen layer of the abyss. We are fighting Frost Giants all over the place, so I picked up Baneful Blast (lesser invocation) to add 2d6 EB damage to evil outsiders.

SR can be a problem, so I picked up Spell Penetration, Greater Spell Penetration!
I picked up Practiced Spellcaster to up my caster level for my sorcerer spells.

There is a new Dark Invocation called Penetrating Blast that adds +4 CL for your EB and an additional effect (can't remember what it does right now).

Just food for thought! Hope this helps.

I agree, it's a better fit with Sorcerer even if you have to wait a level. The charisma synergy is great.

I'm thinking my next character will be a warlock/battle sorcerer/ET. Will be taking hideous blow at first level and concentrating my sorcerer spells as buffs and of course True Strike.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[JypsRidic]

Sorry for the thread necromancy, but I got through 5 pages of this and no one pointed out the obvious: Eldritch Theurge is to benefit a warlock build, not a typical caster build.

Dip your first level into beguiler with precocious apprentice, and if you DM is a real stickler about the plural in the 'second level spells' line of the PrC prereqs be a silverbrow human and take extra spell at level 3. Then levels 2-5 are the first four levels of Warlock and you're all set to enter the Theurge. Snag a dip into mindbender if you're doing beguiler and throw that caster level advancement onto beguiler to get access to an addition level of spells with virtually no cost to the warlock features

Beguiler1/warlock4/eldritch theurge x/mindbender 1/eldritch theurge (10-x)/warlock5
You get a very warlocky warlock with a lot more versatility and no penalties for being in light armor. Replace beguiler with sorcerer for more versatility and less armor or warmage if you still think damage is the way to go in 3.5

Edit: I just reread the feat for the game I'm currently in and Extra Spell wouldn't work like this, but three levels of beguiler or warmage would get you the advanced learning which would still get you in early if your dm is a stickler. Just don't bring it up and hope they don't think about it.