Trouvere
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Proposed: that the variant Rogue that loses sneak attack but gains bonus feats as the Fighter be made approved content
By RAW, they can use them feats on the Fighter feat list only (so they trade a big damage limited-utility combat move for eleven combat moves--if we had more feats available, this would almost always be a trade in the Rogue's favour, though now I'm not so sure).orsal said:I like this in principle, because I think a rogue-style stealth specialist shouldn't need to have one of the manifestations of that specialization be a potent combat move. I'm going to reserve judgement until
(a) I hear more discussion about balance issues (something I'm not that great with)
(b) We spell out what bonus feats are eligible. As with the fighter, I think class feats should be required to be related to the class flavour. So, for example, potential rogue bonus feats would include any skill buffs for rogue class skills. What others?
Rystil Arden said:By RAW, they can use them feats on the Fighter feat list only (so they trade a big damage limited-utility combat move for eleven combat moves--if we had more feats available, this would almost always be a trade in the Rogue's favour, though now I'm not so sure).
Yeah, bleh.orsal said:Oh -- I misread it at first. Favours martial training over stealth -- the exact opposite of what I had been thinking. I'm not so keen on it now.
I always figured the way to do that is to multiclass Fighter/Rogue.Trouvere said:The way I've looked at it is actually as a variant fighter who loses some BAB and HP to get extra skill points.
Yep, but then you have sneak attack in the build again, which might be what you were hoping to avoid in the first place.Rystil Arden said:I always figured the way to do that is to multiclass Fighter/Rogue.
Awful Will save, though. You can do the same thing with Psychic Warrior, too, no?Actually, speaking of multiclassing, I also forgot to mention one of the most important reasons I banned feat Rogue and Sneak Attack Fighter--the edge effect at low levels of multiclassing into them. Feat Rogue 2 / Regular Fighter 2 has 4 bonus feats at level 4 instead of 3, and many more skill points.
Yes, that's a pretty unanswerable point (not that Arcane Trickster is a powerhouse or anything, but finessing early entry to any PrC is practically always something to avoid). Is that Sneak Attack Fighter / Thug approved for LEW btw?Similarly, Sneak Attack Fighter 1 / Rogue 1 has 2d6 Sneak Attack at level 2 (which also allows this particular combo to break in early to PrCs with a Sneak Attack prereq like Arcane Trickster)
Awful Will save, though. You can do the same thing with Psychic Warrior, too, no?
Yep, but then you have sneak attack in the build again, which might be what you were hoping to avoid in the first place.
Yes, that's a pretty unanswerable point (not that Arcane Trickster is a powerhouse or anything, but finessing early entry to any PrC is practically always something to avoid). Is that Sneak Attack Fighter / Thug approved for LEW btw?