Fiendish Codex II next month--Any scoop/rumors/etc.?

[BOZ]

Oy, this argument again?

shoot, that's what i said. i was hoping to hear more speculation on the actual flavor-type content of the book, not more argument on stats.

I'm actually curious to see how FC:II handles previous Lords of the 9 who have since been deposed and exiled, or outright killed like Zariel (imprisoned as Bel's midnight snack), Geryon (dead), Moloch (good question, given the events of Apocalypse Stone), and perhaps even some previously undescribed Lot9.

yeah, me too! and maybe they'll give the Hag Countess her first name back.

Yeah... there was a LOT of contradicting material out there about the Abyss; part of what Erik and I tried to do with FC1 was figure out how to tie it all together in a way that annoyed the least amount of fans (which, of course, included us!). Part of the problem is, of course, the fact that during 2nd edition, the concept of demons and devils went through some pretty major changes, and then when the pendulum swung back near the end of 2E it didn't quite land where it started. Lolth transforming from minor demon lord to big-time goddess is perhaps the best example of this, but there were countless others to sort out and explain. It was fun... but it was also really hard and nerve-wracking.

and, as Erik has pointed out, the demons were probably a heck of a lot easier than the devils, by comparison.

 

[Shemeska]

yeah, me too! and maybe they'll give the Hag Countess her first name back.

FC:II - How Malagard got her Groove Back!

 

[Nightfall]

Shemmy LOL

Personally I wish she's just a) accept the change to Baaztu and b) have her name be Lilith.

I mean is there something wrong with that?

 

[BOZ]

FC:II - How Malagard got her Groove Back!

nice.

 

[Ripzerai]

and maybe they'll give the Hag Countess her first name back.

I hope they don't. Giving her the same name as Baalzebul's capital city was always awkward.

 

[BOZ]

hmm, good point - maybe that's why they nixed it.

 

[Nightfall]

Good point Rip.

Me I hope she changes her name and appearance to Lilith. There just aren't enough good Liliths in D&D these days. Well in Hell anyway.

 

[Ripzerai]

hmm, good point - maybe that's why they nixed it.

I assume it was. Of course, BoVD establishes that she was Moloch's lover, so it wouldn't be at all strange to say her name was Lilith (Moloch's consort in 1e), as Green Ronin did. Robert Schwalb already took that tack in The Unholy Warrior's Handbook. If they don't use that angle, they have a "love" triangle on their hands.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I've heard that since most games only get to 7th-10th level, that the devil lords will be CR 12 will notes on how to increase their CR for those playing higher levels.

 

[Nightfall]

Joe,

What did someone drop a cyncial tablet in your coffee today?

Rip,

God I hope RJ does that. That was one of the reason I adored Legions of Hell/Book of Fiends and GR's cosmology.