Fire Mountain Games - 5 years since funding - communication thread

[kevin_video]

@Mirko -- If I could find a publisher willing to take a chance on something that's not 5e and give me the shot, I'd do it. Also if enough people said they'd do it. The one voted on, and that I most pushing for was a technology vs. nature themed AP. But it wasn't a "choose one side" type like Throne of Night. I'm not good enough for something that in-depth or expansive.

I've definitely got my doubts on PF 2.0 as well. I've been running a whole bunch of 1.0 PFS scenarios for our local lodge, and I know I'm pretty much walking away without looking back once 2.0 actually kicks in.

If it wasn't for the fact that exchange rate and shipping were such huge factors, not to mention his reputation for mistakes on his work so there's always noticeable errata and spelling errors, I would have been out a lot more money due to buying physical copies too.

@Ovinomancer -- Didn't realize the US had such a law. Don't know if it's in Canada or not, but if it does, no one does anything about it.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Backer here as well. I'm still around keeping an eye on this project but I can say this whole experience turned me off from ever backing another Kickstarter. The lack of any sort of accountability from the creator - or involvement/enforcement from Kickstarter themselves - is enough to keep me from doing this again.

There is no way Kickstarter could manage and demand performance from every person who uses their service. Their company would have to be much larger and would have to require a percentage of funds collected to cover it's operations that everyone would complain was too high.

The guy committed fraud. That is anoegal issue and that is handled by courts not by private companies.

 

[kevin_video]

There is no way Kickstarter could manage and demand performance from every person who uses their service. Their company would have to be much larger and would have to require a percentage of funds collected to cover it's operations that everyone would complain was too high.

The guy committed fraud. That is anoegal issue and that is handled by courts not by private companies.

I don't disagree with the statement of Gary or the courts involvement, but this goes beyond that. Kickstarter's policy says that they will do their part to keep the creator accountable. That if there's issues where you can't contact them or the creator is going a-wall, they will aid you by contacting the creator themselves to try get them to fulfill their side of the project or they can take away certain rights or even close the account until the creator does anything that even looks like working on the project. Paraphrased, but still. Kickstarter has been told numerous times about Gary, to the point they asked what they would like us to do. Those of us who've contacted them have asked that they enforce their policy to close the account or make it so that he at least can't any more projects until Gary at least communicates to us why this project isn't done after five years. Kickstarter won't. Our only guess is it's because Gary dumps too much money on the site and supports too many projects for them to financially stop him.

 

[Banesfinger]

Followed the links from the Kickstarter messages.
I'm an "overlord" backer (US $250). I agree with everyone's comments regarding Gary. However, I would like to praise Michael Clarke, as he did deliver the custom piece of art awarded at that backer level, which takes a little bit of the 'sting' out of my $$$ loss.

 

[kevin_video]

Thank you for sharing. I'm glad at least half of the the former team can hold up their end of a deal. Not that I doubted Michael. He's come through numerous times already.

 

[Banesfinger]

Here is his beautiful work.

 

[kevin_video]

Thank you very, very much for sharing. My guess is she was going to be a knife master rogue. Not too certain on the mask though. Perhaps a vigilante.

 

[kevin_video]

Posted this on the KS comments, and wanted to post it here too (cleaned up a bit), just in case.

So, some personal news. Some people know I’ve been really sick for a number of years, as well as partially disabled. This was even something I shared with Gary via email when he was still active. Saw a specialist, and while I’m going to try beat the numbers, I might only have 1-2 years left. This is not a joke or ploy. I do plan on fighting for as long as possible, however.

If something goes terribly awry, I want people to keep going after Gary until he fulfills his end of the bargain. My hope is that I'll at least see Book 3, if not its notes.

 

[Lobaron Lobaron]

Not a backer. But I love the concept of the books and saddened by the fact that the AP won't be finished.

I'm wondering about the feasibility of people collaborating on creating an unofficial middle and end to the AP.

It may not take the sting out of the betrayal, but it would at least make a sad ending a little less sad.

 

[kevin_video]

Technically we're doing that on the Paizo forum. I found an adequate 2e adventure module of an abandoned dwarf city and mine, and you have to discover why and fight the denizens along the way. I then did up some stats, and and released it all online. Other people have done their own thing completely, mostly as tradesman, another making the reason the dwarves left due to a radiation mine. Then there are those who've adapted it to 5e and don't acknowledge the Pathfinder relevance any more, and I don't blame them. Finally, you've got the drow AP that was released by Adventure-A-Week, and a couple even converted the 3.0 City of the Spider Queen module.