darthkilmor
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The CR seems a bit high on the giant ant worker, esp compared to the other vermin. Would something like 1/2 or 1/3 be more appropriate ?
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Giant Ant Worker, CR 1??
- Thread starter darthkilmor
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I would actually agree with you. When I run the giant ant worker through my Open Gaming Combat Simulator program (http://www.superdan.net/softwin.html), 3 of them are evenly matched in melee against a 1st-level NPC Fighter. At low levels, that's a very good indicator of CR, i.e., CR 1/3 is about right.
darthkilmor
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Delta said:
Awesomeness, so its not just me. Thanks
Darren Ravenshaw
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As with everything, CR is mostly a educated guess. As such some either end up to high, or to low. In this case yes the ant is not tough enough to warant a CR of 1. As Delta said its a more a 1/3 CR to 1/2 then 1. But remember its the player group that really makes wether a creature is as much a challenge as its CR suggests.
frankthedm
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I'd say keep them CR 1 and give them a 16 or 18 STR.
Do remember vermin type does give some major immunties and at CR1 AC is nice and solid.
Do remember vermin type does give some major immunties and at CR1 AC is nice and solid.
Quartz
Hero
darthkilmor said:
CR 1 looks about right to me. An average of 12.5 HP will require 2-3 hits to down. AC 17 means that the party needs to roll high to hit it in the first place (first level fighter with Str 16 and Weapon Focus is +5 to hit which means he only hits 40% of the time). Then there's the immunities from the Vermin type and it's got Improved Grab. For first level PCs, it's a tough encounter, and several of them are a good challenge for higher level PCs.
frankthedm
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It has an average of 9HP. That is one hit of a greatswordQuartz said:
It can only grab small or smaller PCs. Unless the improved grab entry for the monster says otherwise, Improved grab only works on smaller opponents.Quartz said:
Quartz
Hero
frankthedm said:
I gave it max HP for its first HD.
Possibly. Average damage is 5.5 HP + 3 for Str 16 (no Power Attack, you need the AB to hit it in the first place) gives 8.5, so 2 hits are needed, even with 9 HP. And your PC fighter may well have longsword and shield, for 7.5 HP damage. And with that good an AC - as good or better than most 1st level characters - the monster's good for 3-4 rounds of combat.
Like halflings. One of the core PC races.
