If 2handed weapon is wielded 1 handed, does it still count as 2 handed?

[Ginnel]

I'm playing a fighter with, two handed weapon fighter class thingie which gives him +1 while fighting with two handed weapons, when I drop my shield and start wielding my longsword/warpick/battleaxe 2 handed I'm going to be using that +1 extra to hit.

This option of fighting two handed is only available if the weapon is two handed or has the versatile property.

When your bigger, I think we just have to use a bit of common sense, a longbow a two handed weapon will not be wielded in one hand even if your bigger and a two handed weapon wielded in one handed is treated as a one handed weapon and will not be taking advantage of any power/feature which requires using a weapon two handed.

I look at the fighter extra +1 hit to either one handed or two handed weapons as a specialised style of fighting, taking advantage or the leverage, reach or quicker strikes, the same with reaping strike and power attack its the fact your using two hands to get the leverage which gives you the extra power not the actual weapon, otherwise PC's could create a large longsword and use it in two hands to get the +1 to attack bonus working if he has the one handed weapon specialisation.

 

[hamishspence]

large weapons

Strictly, for melee weapons, no-one can use an outsized weapon: unless they are a bugbear or minotaur. P220 clearly says that. However the reverse is not true: large beings can use medium weapons: if they are two handed ones.

 

[jdpacheco]

Strictly, for melee weapons, no-one can use an outsized weapon: unless they are a bugbear or minotaur. P220 clearly says that. However the reverse is not true: large beings can use medium weapons: if they are two handed ones.

Small creatures can use any one-handed medium weapon. However, if it's Versatile, they *must* use it two handed, and don't gain the usual benefit for using a versatile weapon two-handedly. They can't use medium two-handers. (Of course, using damage dice steps, a small greatsword is mechanically the same, to a small creature, as a medium longsword)

However, my point for this post was to point out that Small creatures use the same weapon table, for the most part.

 

[hamishspence]

thats true

I was focussing more on medium and large creatures.

I wodl like to see clarification on the whole two handed weapon thing. In one of the treads, possibly Official Unofficial FAQ, it stressed that versatile weapons used two handed only ever qualify for one handed bonuses. I extrapolated from that: a one handed weapon is always a one handed weapon.

Its not as clear for two handed weapons used one handed by the Large: it simply says: treat as one handed weapons. Maybe just for wielding purposes, but maybe for power/feat purposes as well, its not yet clear.

Edit (DEFINITELY Off Unoff FAQ, first page,Fighter Weapon Talent, answers given say its still one handed, even used two handed).

 

[Terwox]

Realistically, a house rule that works better than the original rules:

For one-handed vs. two-handed specialization,

One-handed worded as "If your character is wielding a weapon in one hand," and two-handed being "If your character is wielding a weapon in two hands," -- and then you're done. None of the silly "halfling fighters apply weapon spec to all weapons" stuff.

 

[hamishspence]

wasn't looking for house rules, looking for RAW.

It may be silly, but in most cases, especially in tournaments or Living events (or when dealing with fussy players) we are stuck with it.

I usually try to come up with in-game answer, unless the rule REALLY sucks (ducking a dying PC's head in water brings HP up to 0)

For weapons, it would be "its just not balanced for two handed fighting, which is why you only ever get the one-hand bonuses"

 

[ST]

Eh, we'll see. 4e is very much written with the idea that a person has to step in and make a judgement call from time to time, things aren't legalistically and rigidly defined in a lot of ways. I think you're going to see a lot of people griping after those tourney events about how "the judge didn't rule my way".

I mean, Custserv isn't trying to give people "the one right answer" either -- there was a thread a while back where someone who used to have the job said they pretty much did what they'd do when they were DMing -- try to make the best judgement call for an individual case.

Personally, if the common-sense "fix" doesn't match the text, the text is getting ignored.