D&D (2024) Playtest 8 Spell Discussion

[Maxperson]

What you are calling a "mystical syllable" (bu) is a "morpheme". It is a language. This morpheme would be meaningful information about a specific spell and its effect.

But irrelevant to the language using it. Call it a language or not, it's still usable by anyone of any language.

But there is no language − including no morpheme such as a mystical syllable "bu" − that all casters would recognize and understand.

Yes there is, because it's the same in all languages. This is D&D fact. It may not be real world fact, but it is D&D fact or else casters could not recognize spellcasting, especially verbal only. Yet they can and RAW backs it up in the verbal components section of the PHB.

 

[Maxperson]

Each caster develops ones own specific sounds. These sounds arent meaningful to anyone else. But they are meaningful to oneself.

What is RAW is, the casters cant understand each others Verbal component or any other aspect of a spellbook.

If one caster says "bu" as a Verbal component of a certain spell. No other caster recognizes its meaning or purpose. The other casters dont use "bu" in the same way if at all.

This is a house rule on verbals.

For one caster "bu" might cause Sleep. For an other caster "bu" might cause Fireball.

Not in D&D. D&D spellcasting requires specific sounds to trigger the specific magics, not any sound as you claim. You are literally claiming that RAW says the opposite of what it says.

 

[Yaarel]

But irrelevant to the language using it. Call it a language or not, it's still usable by anyone of any language.

Yes there is, because it's the same in all languages. This is D&D fact. It may not be real world fact, but it is D&D fact or else casters could not recognize spellcasting, especially verbal only. Yet they can and RAW backs it up in the verbal components section of the PHB.

An encrypted language is still a language.

If the morpheme is recognized and understood by others, then it is a "shared language".

But there is no shared language, because casters cant understand each other.

 

[Yaarel]

This is a house rule on verbals.

Not in D&D. D&D spellcasting requires specific sounds to trigger the specific magics, not any sound as you claim. You are literally claiming that RAW says the opposite of what it says.

"Specific" to who? The caster.

There is no "specific" to a "shared magical language" that others understand.

Each caster uses ones own "specific" unique, personal, "sound", each time, to cast a certain spell.

 

[Maxperson]

An encrypted language is still a language.

If the morpheme is recognized and understood by others, then it is a "shared language".

Then it's a shared language in D&D. Real life languages don't matter. In D&D the mystic syllables are instantly recognizable per RAW. Otherwise counterspells and other spells fail to work.

 

[Maxperson]

"Specific" to who? The caster.

No. The weave. The weave requires specific sounds to access specific kinds of magic. The weave doesn't care if you speak elvish, dwarvish or conehead.

Each caster uses ones own "specific" unique, personal, "sound", each time, to cast a certain spell.

Prove it. Prove that the PHB RAW is wrong.

 

[Yaarel]

Then it's a shared language in D&D. Real life languages don't matter. In D&D the mystic syllables are instantly recognizable per RAW. Otherwise counterspells and other spells fail to work.

If there is a shared language.

Then they can read each others spellbooks.

But they cant.

 

[Maxperson]

If there is a shared language.

Then they can read each others spellbooks.

But they cant!

Yes they can. It just takes some work like in my examples upthread. Fheethylamine Gharim Chooselaka Meera. Only three sounds in there trigger the magic of a sleep spell. Without needing to decipher, which three are they?

 

[Yaarel]

Yes they can. It just takes some work like in my examples upthread. Fheethylamine Gharim Chooselaka Meera. Only three sounds in there trigger the magic of a sleep spell. Without needing to decipher, which three are they?

RAW says the caster cant read each others spellbooks.

In the playtest Wizard, RAW says, "Your spellbook can be read only by you or someone casting Identify."

No one else can understand the spell of an other caster. There is no shared magical language. Only magic can unlock a casters unique information system.

 

[Maxperson]

RAW says the caster cant read each others spellbooks.

No it doesn't. It says it needs a bit of deciphering like I just posted. Can you figure out without deciphering which 3 syllables triggered the magic? I'm bettering no.

In the playtest Wizard, RAW says, "Your spellbook can be read only by you or someone casting Identify."

No one else can understand the spell of an other caster. There is no shared magical language. Only magic can unlock a casters unique information system.

Where?

"Copying a Spell into the Book. When you find a wizard spell of 1st level or higher, you can add it to your spell book if it is of a spell level you can prepare and if you can spare the time to decipher and copy it.

Copying that spell into your spell book involves reproducing the basic form of the spell, then deciphering the unique system of notation used by the wizard who wrote it. You must practice the spell until you understand the sounds or gestures required, then transcribe it into your spell book using your own notation.

For each level of the spell, the process takes 2 hours and costs 50gp. The cost represents material components you expend as you experiment with the spell to master it, as well as the fine inks you need to record it. Once you have spent this time and money, you can prepare the spell just like your other spells."

Where is this identify requirement.