The Human Target
Adventurer
Yeah I guess it depends on your definition of drastic.
Agreed on the consolidation. I hate having to flip through several books to find the one well written explanation of how something works.
Mutants & Masterminds 3rd Edition
Yeah I guess it depends on your definition of drastic.
Agreed on the consolidation. I hate having to flip through several books to find the one well written explanation of how something works.
Jeff Wilder
First Post
Not to mention all the official rulings made in the Atomic Think Tank.
Did you know different attacks can have different attack bonus and damage trade-offs? (E.g., at PL 10 you can have a melee attack at +5, +15, and a ranged attack at +15, +5.) I didn't.
Did you know that the modifiers for Growth and Shrinking don't count against PL caps? I didn't.
Did you know that if the powers are Permanent, they do count against PL caps? I didn't.
Consolidating rules (and changing the few stinkers) will be very welcome.
jmucchiello
Hero
Um, isn't that in the rulebook? I don't have it handy but I could have sworn the book explains that rather well.
JoeGKushner
First Post
Jeff Wilder
First Post
Maybe, but if so I missed it, and so did enough people that it warranted an official ruling by Steve Kenson.
pawsplay
Hero
"Now that we have the disk, where should we hide it?"
"I know! I'll run to Anchorage, Alaska, and put it in a safety deposit box. Then I'll run to Paris, France as a distraction."
It's great, Golden Age stuff. And WAY over-the-top for a PL 10 campaign, in which the other PCs might be a poor man's Batman and a blaster not notably more deadly than a guy with a machinegun.
Doug McCrae
Legend
To be fair, an assault rifle just does damage 5. 10, standard for a PL10 game, is the same as a tank's main gun.
And if the players are anything like mine they'll also have autofire, improved critical and the power attack/all-out attack combo so they hit more like a nuclear bomb.
They could also teleport foes to a great height and drop them (max damage 20, not limited by PL) and use the slam action, which adds the movement power's rank to damage and is also not limited by PL.
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Jeff Wilder
First Post
No, it's great comic book stuff.
And it'll work right until the telepath plucks the location out of the speedster's mind.
You just can't mechanically balance non-combat aspects of the game without sucking the life out of the genre. Mutants & Masterminds relies almost exclusively on the GM to make sure that combat-balanced PCs have equal "power" in non-combat situations.
Some people won't like that. You seem to be one of them.
I like it just fine, and as I said I think the attempt to mechanically balance non-combat will destroy M&M's emulation of the genre, in which speedsters and telepaths and orphans from doomed planets do co-exist on the same teams with superb archers and peerless martial artist detectives.
The Human Target
Adventurer
I knew the first, didn't know the second two.
I don't want M&M 3e to turn into DnD 4E (even though I play and enjoy 4E) but I do think they need to embrace the idea of simplicity, consolidation, and fun before simulation-ism.
I'd personally like any power with the "Your GM may wish to limit the levels of these powers because they can easily mess with the game" to be overhauled and/or made strictly optional.
I'd also like to see the system break away from a lot of the 3E DnD-isms that have been done better since the d20 release.
Also, I pray for an easy to use benchmark for encounter design. M&M has too much fudging/eyeballing of difficulty as it is.
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Doug McCrae
Legend
I agree, it's still too close to 3e as is, it still has 5-foot steps which seem very inappropriate for a superhero game.
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