Abilities cannot come without practice of some sorts, thus skill.
A fighter is an athlete, just by learning to hit, throw, dodge, feint. Does he need to be trained in athletic on top of that?
a wizard is an accomplish Arcanist. Training in arcana seem obvious.
i take a look at the old thief in aDnd. A thief was trained in all thief skill.
maybe skill should come with class as a package of skills related to this class.
The question is would "can I lift it", "I want to break down the door", and "how far can I throw it" be raw Str checks or do you think a new skill could apply (I'd personally want it to be separate from athletics).
The other question is checks to resist fatigue, should they be passive Con saves, raw con checks, or an Endurance skill.
Hi everyone. I've got a question for those in the Ven Diagram overlap between gamers and athletic people. I'm looking at expanding the skill system.
Do you believe weight lifting is a technique that can be learned beyond just training that increases strength?
Do you believe endurance is something that can be trained for beyond just training that increases constitution? Do you feel like pushing beyond your endurance limit is something you actively do (an ability check), or is resisting fatigue something passive (a saving throw)?
I'm in the process of seeing if I want to expand the skill system, and I'm wondering if Strength should have another skill for applications of strength (like lifting, throwing, bending, and breaking objects) beyond what Athletics covers, and if I should have Endurance as a constitution skill or if those uses would be more in line with Constitution saves.
Thanks for your input!
...Is there ever a need for a raw ability check? The PHB (Chapter 7) gives numerous examples, but most either a) involve tools with which you might be proficient, b) could plausibly be folded into an existing skill (the Dexterity and Wisdom examples fit this well), or c) could be folded into a new skill. I'd call out Might for the Strength examples, Endurance for the Constitution examples, and something like "Streetwise/Gather Information/Connections/Social Groups" for the Charisma examples (I'm not sure what to call that skill exactly, but it involves navigating, influencing, and understanding entire broad groups of people). That skill could also plausibly cover the "appraise" example under Intelligence, although tool proficiency might fit better.
I like where you're going with this exercise, as I feel like the skill list in 5E is one of the weaker parts of the system. They tried to give ability scores primacy over skills but it didn't quite work.
Hi everyone. I've got a question for those in the Ven Diagram overlap between gamers and athletic people. I'm looking at expanding the skill system.
Yes, absolutely. As I mentioned I never trained much. When I first started "training" for my college track team and I learned some of the skill behind weightlifting, I quickly found I could lift more than I thought. I didn't get stronger, I just learned how to lift properly. However, the reason a could leg press 650lbs was still mostly natural talent + strength training, with a little bit of technical training. Now, if you look at the "Strongman" competitions. I think it is pretty clear that the strongest person is not always the person who wins. There is skill / technique involved in doing more complex feats of strength.Do you believe weight lifting is a technique that can be learned beyond just training that increases strength?
I believe so. I know when I was running the 1/2 mile I developed mental techniques to help me push through when I just wanted to stop. Conversely, when trailing someone I knew had a better time than me in a race, I got a little deflated and couldn't push through to another gear. I think if I trained my mental skills, perhaps I could overcome my doubt and pushed on harder.Do you believe endurance is something that can be trained for beyond just training that increases constitution? Do you feel like pushing beyond your endurance limit is something you actively do (an ability check), or is resisting fatigue something passive (a saving throw)?