D&D 5E Casting multiple spells with bonus spells and the order they are cast.
JonnyP71
Explorer
This where we disagree - due to our difference in *opinion* as to which is more specific - the reaction trigger or the bonus spell rule. I believe the reaction trigger for the counterspell is more specific, you believe the bonus spell rule is...
And that's the bit that causes the problem.
Ovinomancer
No flips for you!
Ah, stealth edit, there's more meat here!
Um, you must have skipped a few bits on how reactions work. There's lots more specificity on how to use reactions that just the casting time in the spell description.
Um, you must have skipped a few bits on how reactions work. There's lots more specificity on how to use reactions that just the casting time in the spell description.
Yeah, but the Dev's agree with my reading, so I've got that going for me.
Too late, you've already commended me. I've declared victory, no take backs.
Ovinomancer
No flips for you!
You do realize that can easily be read as referring to not being able to cast a bonus action spell if you've cast a spell as an action and not talking about reaction casting, yeah?
Also, weren't you just talking about how you thought Crawford was glaringly wrong in a sage advice response about crossbow expert in your crossbow expert thread? Appeal to authority is significantly weakened when you dismiss the authority you're citing when it's convenient for you to do so.
CapnZapp
Legend
[MENTION=6788862]JonnyP71[/MENTION] [MENTION=6855114]Helldritch[/MENTION] [MENTION=16814]Ovinomancer[/MENTION]
Please let's agree the "reactions are not part of turns" interpretation is a house rule, and that the OP's question can be clearly and concisely replied to.
Do note that I (and others) have never claimed the rules as written are superior to your view. Quite the opposite in fact.
See above link to Jeremy Crawford clearly distinguishes between casting a spell as an action and as a bonus action as regards the possibility to cast Featherfall on your own turn.
(Featherfall is a reaction, but more importantly, it is not a cantrip, and so can't be cast on your turn if you also cast a spell using a bonus action)
Please take a deep breath before you barge ahead, trying to claim I am misinterpreting JCrawford's reply or to throw shade at the answer given. Yes, I know "another story" is not as clear as we all would have hoped.
But the evidence is overwhelmingly stacked against you. You really should take this opportunity to gracefully bow out of the controversy. If you do, I applaud you for it - it is always bitter to admit a mistake. I know, I am myself loath to do so.
Please let's agree the "reactions are not part of turns" interpretation is a house rule, and that the OP's question can be clearly and concisely replied to.
Do note that I (and others) have never claimed the rules as written are superior to your view. Quite the opposite in fact.
See above link to Jeremy Crawford clearly distinguishes between casting a spell as an action and as a bonus action as regards the possibility to cast Featherfall on your own turn.
(Featherfall is a reaction, but more importantly, it is not a cantrip, and so can't be cast on your turn if you also cast a spell using a bonus action)
Please take a deep breath before you barge ahead, trying to claim I am misinterpreting JCrawford's reply or to throw shade at the answer given. Yes, I know "another story" is not as clear as we all would have hoped.
But the evidence is overwhelmingly stacked against you. You really should take this opportunity to gracefully bow out of the controversy. If you do, I applaud you for it - it is always bitter to admit a mistake. I know, I am myself loath to do so.
Ovinomancer
No flips for you!
I award you a second 'Nuh-uh' point with a meritorious citation for misdirection in editing.
Yes! The sheep has been successfully shorn of his fleece!
Ovinomancer
No flips for you!
Sorry, can't, because a reaction can occur outside of a turn. If I ready a move to jump through a complex trap that cycles on initiative count 20, that's not happening on someone's turn.
Reactions happen when their triggers happen, and this can even be during someone's (or your own) turn.
I disagree, and far more respectfully that you seem able to, that the evidence is so stacked. We have two unclear statements from Crawford and a number of other sage advice articles that don't add any more clarity to the situation. The rules present themselves in a way that you can read them either way. I advocate for my way with detailed and polite responses. You dismissively accuse others of trolling while pointing to the unclear sage advice and declaring victory. You may be right, but you haven't done yourself any favors with your bombastic and antagonistic interaction here. Calling for us to civilly cede the argument to you despite all of this is pretty hypocritical of you, at this point.
