# of Daily and Utility Powers per day

[Tellerve]

I see on the table on page 29 how many powers are known for your level, however, what I'm not seeing is if you can know both a Daily and a Utility power per day. I think yes, but I haven't found and read it yet.

Also, wizards are the exception in that they get to pick two daily and utility spells when normally all other characters only get one, correct? Assuming they haven't gotten Expanded Spellbook to get three dailies when they are up for picking a new one.

Thanks,

Tellerve

 

[Dalzig]

Excepting the exceptions (Wizards, Channel Divinity, Healing Infusions, etc.), you can use every power you know according to how often the power says you can use it. No one power changes how you use another power.

 

[Tellerve]

Just so I'm crystal...

If you have a 5th level fighter, he has two dailies he can use. A 5th wizard would have 2 dailies as well, but he could pick those two from 4 different ones in his spellbook. (Or 6 if he had Expanded Spellbook).

Correct?

 

[Zinovia]

Just so I'm crystal...

If you have a 5th level fighter, he has two dailies he can use. A 5th wizard would have 2 dailies as well, but he could pick those two from 4 different ones in his spellbook. (Or 6 if he had Expanded Spellbook).

Correct?

That's right. Everyone can use 2 dailies, 2 encounters, and 1 utility power at 5th. Wizards get to choose from a larger selection in the spellbook.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

If you have a fifth level wizard, he has two spell slots: level 5, and level 1. With an ordinary spell book, he picks two powers for each of those slots (two fifth level powers, and two 1st level powers). If he has the expanded spellbook, he gets three powers for each slot.
Then after each extended rest, he can choose which power to memorize in each slot: always picking from the spells associated with the correct slot.

So he couldn't pick any two powers to memorize; it would have to be a 1st level and a 5th level.

Caveat (for extra complciation): he could have taken a 1st level spell as one of the spells linked to his 5th level slot, so he could conceivably memorize two fist level spells for the day.

 

[SDOgre]

If you have a fifth level wizard, he has two spell slots: level 5, and level 1. With an ordinary spell book, he picks two powers for each of those slots (two fifth level powers, and two 1st level powers). If he has the expanded spellbook, he gets three powers for each slot.
Then after each extended rest, he can choose which power to memorize in each slot: always picking from the spells associated with the correct slot.

So he couldn't pick any two powers to memorize; it would have to be a 1st level and a 5th level.

Caveat (for extra complciation): he could have taken a 1st level spell as one of the spells linked to his 5th level slot, so he could conceivably memorize two fist level spells for the day.

Well said.

 

[Exen Trik]

Caveat (for extra complciation): he could have taken a 1st level spell as one of the spells linked to his 5th level slot, so he could conceivably memorize two fist level spells for the day.

I don't know where people are getting this, except from 3.x. I've seen nothing about this in the 4e books.

 

[NMcCoy]

I don't have a link on hand, but there's been official clarification that you do indeed learn daily/utility spells in a fixed "set" for that level, and pick one to prepare from each set. You can retrain a set to include spells of lower level than you get by default in that set, but you can't prepare an extra spell from a low-level set in lieu of a high-level one.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

I don't know where people are getting this, except from 3.x. I've seen nothing about this in the 4e books.

I'm not a 3e player, so I didn't get my interpretation from there. Mine came from the PHB, pg. 158, and is supported by a clarification from a CSR. I was surprised when I first noticed people interpreting it in a different way.

It's pretty obvious that Wizards have the spellbook to give them more flexibility than other classes, not more raw power than other classes.
Allowing, say, a 5th level wizard to memorize two 5th level powers when other classes get only a 5th and 1st level is clearly giving more raw power. It only gets worse at high levels. Take a 29th level non-wizard: he'll have a 29th, 25th, 20th, and 19th level dailies. With the, shall we say, generous interpretation of the wizard rules, the wizard would be able to memorize three 29th level and one 25th level daily! That's nonsensical.

At any time, wizards have available exactly the same power levels as other characters, they just have the choice to change exactly which powers of those levels they have available on a daily basis.

 

[The Black Sword]

You are right. Only through retraing they can move upwards the lvl of spells they use.