So THAT's why Regdar gets no love...

[WayneLigon]

Absolutely it is, and that's classic TSR-logic.

I wouldn't really label it 'TSR-logic'. In the 80's and 90's you had mainstream book publishers that would regularly 'white-wash' covers that featured black characters and not include author pictures with the back-flap bio if that author was black (unless that book was slated to sell in the African-American section). (And I say specifically black rather than 'non-white' because that's usually the only point things break down; you could find a number of asian characters on book covers in the same period since that was also the big 'japan-o-phile' phase of fantasty and SF).

 

[Bump2daWiza]

I usually like Cook, but this is just cynical 90s nonsense. An attack on all things white and vaguely European. Diversity is great. Not being racist is great. But artificially engineered diversity is worse. Boo Monte Cook.

 

[Imaro]

I usually like Cook, but this is just cynical 90s nonsense. An attack on all things white and vaguely European. Diversity is great. Not being racist is great. But artificially engineered diversity is worse. Boo Monte Cook.

Yeah, because that's what he did... launch an attack "on all things white and vaguely European".

Quick question, if marketing has an agenda that is counter to diversity... how does diversity come about except through someone having the resolve to engineer it "artificially". Throughout history this is exactly how diversity has been achieved. "Artificial" diversity, as you call it, is what sets the groundwork so that it starts to become more natural and organic as time goes on.

 

[Nifft]

Diversity is great. Not being racist is great. But artificially engineered diversity is worse.

To be fair, the whole game is artifice -- it's not like they can just randomly sample real Dwarf Wizards.

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I think I never really understood the role of the Iconics. Were they supposed to be bland, or exciting?

Cheers, -- N

 

[Bump2daWiza]

Yeah, because that's what he did... launch an attack "on all things white and vaguely European".

Quick question, if marketing has an agenda that is counter to diversity... how does diversity come about except through someone having the resolve to engineer it "artificially". Throughout history this is exactly how diversity has been achieved. "Artificial" diversity, as you call it, is what sets the groundwork so that it starts to become more natural and organic as time goes on.

That is the problem with 90s racial thinking. It assumes marketing departments dictate race relations in the US. This is why white suburban people think racial tension is dissapating, but people like me who live in ethnically diverse neighborhoods know that is not the case. Hauling around your one or two ethnic friends to show what an enlightened person you are doesn't make the world a better place. Ignoring the truth behind racial stereotypes doesn't make for better race relations on the ground. A better approach would have been for the marketing department to accurately reflect the racial makeup of gamers. So instead of inflating the number of ethnic characters, something like 80% white to 20% non-white would have been more believable.

 

[Barastrondo]

I usually like Cook, but this is just cynical 90s nonsense. An attack on all things white and vaguely European. Diversity is great. Not being racist is great. But artificially engineered diversity is worse. Boo Monte Cook.

As a white guy, I have to say I'm not thrilled about someone saying that "not having a white guy be the number one character" is an attack on "all things white." I mean, really — it's "white" to insist to be the Number One Guy?

Pass.

 

[Bump2daWiza]

As a white guy, I have to say I'm not thrilled about someone saying that "not having a white guy be the number one character" is an attack on "all things white." I mean, really — it's "white" to insist to be the Number One Guy?

Pass.

As a non-white guy, I think there is nothing more pathetic and sad than self loathing white folk trying to impress minorities.

 

[Barastrondo]

As a non-white guy, I think there is nothing more pathetic and sad than self loathing white folk trying to impress minorities.

If the definition of "self-loathing" is "would also like to see stories about people who are not explicitly modeled on yourself."

Me, I think that's some heavy-duty projecting.

 

[Bump2daWiza]

If the definition of "self-loathing" is "would also like to see stories about people who are not explicitly modeled on yourself."

Me, I think that's some heavy-duty projecting.

The whole notion of Monte Cook telling us what a good guy he is because he was upset that Redgar, the white fighter, would be the figure head of the artwork, is frankly a little insulting to all the real injustices we have had to endure. Come one. It is art for a game that mostly white folks play.

 

[Bagpuss]

Monte Cook posted the ignoble creation of Regdar, the Iconic Human Male Fighter and talks a bit about gender and racial equality.

http://montecook.livejournal.com/150303.html

Might explain why he seems to die an awful lot in D&D artwork

Weird because I look at the covers on MALHAVOC PRESS product page and....

The Night of Dissolution - white male warrior
The Temple of Mysteries - Undetermined male warrior
The Book of Roguish Luck - white male
The Banewarrens - white male warrior (although it could be a dwarf?)
Mindscapes - white male
Requiem for a God - white males
Cry Havoc - White male warrior
The Bonds of Magic - white male
Iron Heroes - white male warrior
The Book of Hallowed Might - white male warrior
Book of Hallowed Might II - white male warrior
Book of Eldritch Might III - white male warrior

He seems to have plenty of the stereotype, certainly more than half except for the Arcana Evolved, product line.