but there are certainly more options/builds within 3e's core than 4e's core.
Not for a single class character.
but there are certainly more options/builds within 3e's core than 4e's core.
Look, this is not new to 3e or 4e. DMing IS work, no matter how you slice it, on some level. Some folks just aren't cut out to DM.
Whether or not it's work, it's responsibility and if you aren't spending your "work time" statting up NPCs (or whatever b.s. busywork killed 3e for you) I hope you're at least spending your "saved time" in 4e working up worlds/plots/adventures.
If your benchmark for DMing is "As close to zero investment away from the table as possible..." then it's possible I might not want to play in your game.
That may indeed be true.
I'll concede your larger point, but there are certainly more options/builds within 3e's core than 4e's core.
Not for a single class character.
Even if I conceded that point-- which I don't-- what's your point?
This echoes my experience perfectly.
And to Wulf's point above: I am definitely spending less time 'thinking D&D' between sessions (and I'm in two games a week).
That your assertion is incorrect, which I'll let everyone else illustrate for you.
P.S. What do you feel the need to be so passive-aggressive with your posts?
Look, this is not new to 3e or 4e. DMing IS work, no matter how you slice it, on some level. Some folks just aren't cut out to DM.
Wulf Ratbane said:If your benchmark for DMing is "As close to zero investment away from the table as possible..." then it's possible I might not want to play in your game.
4e is certainly firing on all cylinders for the DMs.
My concern is how long it will hold the interest of the players. 4e does not seem to allow the same level of meta-game hobby immersion as 3e. .
4e is a game where the focus in on the game AT the table, not the game AWAY from the table.
Take that as a knock on 3e's complexity, if you prefer. It's intended to be a value-neutral comparison.
"What's your point?" isn't passive aggressive. It's a request for you to assert your point.
If I seem passive-aggressive, you're misreading my intended aggressive-aggressive stance.
Wulf, I'm intrigued by this sentence. Could you unpack that, please? Fork it over it you want.4e is a game where the focus in on the game AT the table, not the game AWAY from the table.