Whats the point of monkey grip?

[Seeten]

Speaking of which, how about a standing still horse, and a fighter, on that horse, with a lance, and the whirlwind feat. Does he get 1.5x str dmg against every foe he hits with the lance in one hand?

Answer that one if you are so smart.

 

[Hypersmurf]

You don't but others do (one of them being the Sage). Again, I'm not telling you how you should rule, but you seem incapable of understanding or emphasizing with their POV, to the point that you said earlier that they "can't" play that way (even though it may coincide with the FAQ), and you now appear unwilling to ammend that statement.

I'm not willing to amend the statement, if we're using Monkey Grip as it appears in Complete Warrior.

Huge shortswords are not weapons designed for a creature one size larger than Medium. A Medium creature with Monkey Grip gains the benefits of the feat with weapons designed for a creature one size larger than Medium. A Medium creature with Monkey Grip does not gain the benefits of the feat with Huge shortswords.

... if we're using Monkey Grip as it appears in Complete Warrior.

-Hyp.

 

[Pielorinho]

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Hypersmurf, the wizard who wields a shield might answer that question by pointing out that wielding a shield means jerking it around to block blows, taking blows on the shield, and otherwise behaving in an unpredictable fashion that can unexpectedly disrupt the casting hand. If your hand is tied behind your back, that's a predictable problem for which the wizard can adjust. And I'd be fine ruling that a wizard holding a shield in his hand outside of combat can choose not to gain any AC benefit from the shield in exchange for suffering no casting penalty.

So how about that Monkey Grip question?

(This, for spectators, is an ongoing difference between the two of us: I've got a much squishier approach to the rules than Hypersmurf's . Both approaches are fine in this forum.)

Daniel

 

[glass]

Not really, as long as the "It's magic" excuse is only applied to magic effects and the only "hand waving" is for somatic components.

All of D&D is a fantasy game, not just the magic chapter: Dragons can fly, giants don't break there legs every time they take a step, giant arthropods can breathe through their inches thick chitin...


glass.

 

[glass]

The Spiked Chain, Dire Flail and Mercurial weapons are some examples.

Mercurial weapons are based on real world inspirations (baseball bats, IIRC).

Many people love the SC. I don't grasp that. The SC was the first thing I saw in 3.0 that I said, "Not in my game."

'I don't like it' is a perfectly fine reason for not wanting it in your game. 'It's not real' is not, unless you are going to take out a whole lot of other things too.


glass.

 

[username_]

I know that this thread is a couple years old, but I must make a stand to defend the reality and more-or-less practicality my beloved oversize swords.

Ōdachi

'Nuff said.

 

[frankthedm]

The feat is fine. Open ended 2 for 1 [or worse] power attack was too good.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

One thing that most people overlook is that Power Attack has a prerequisite of Str 13.

Monkey Grip has no such prereq.

Thus, it opens up Power Attack type damage to PCs without a high strength.

Another feat that dovetails nicely with these are Magic of Faerun's Heavy Weapon feats, which allow PCs to use weapons made of alchemically altered heavy metals- Gold & Platinum- which similarly bump damage dice.

If you then go nuts, running a PC with Power Attack, Heavy Weapon, and Monkey Grip...and then use Enlarge (one size bump) or Expansion (two size bumps), your damage can get quite silly indeed- and you could do almost all of that as a first level Human PsiWar.

 

[Thurbane]

You start getting silly stuff like this:

I can't even get a mental picture of someone trying to fight with those without him falling all over himself and coming off like a spaz...

 

[blargney the second]

Strongarm Bracers to the rescue! Use weapons one size larger with no penalty, 6000 gp.
-blarg