CCF refused D&D donations

[Darkwolf71]

<Snip good explaination.>

My apologies for misunderstanding. It seems we actually are quite on the same page on this subject.

 

[Simon Atavax]

I thought she was distinguishing between the minority of Christians who equate d&d with devil worship and the mainstream type, many of whom are gamers.

I wouldn't say that "many" mainstream Christians are gamers. Keep in mind how tiny and niche our hobby is.

 

[ppaladin123]

Tolerance doesn't mean believing that all opinions are equally *valid.*

Tolerance does mean* respecting a person's right to hold* a belief, even if the belief in question is (gasp) a conservative, fundamentalist religious belief (which I, for what it's worth, do NOT hold myself ). Tolerance means we respect their right to hold this belief without then going on a moralistic tirade about how "ridiculously intolerant" the person is.

Gamers (and I am one of them, obviously) can be an incredibly self-righteous, moralistic bunch of people.

EDIT: And in that sense, we are like all other human beings. (grin)

There is an interesting philisophical/moral question in how much tolerance we owe the intolerant. At what point do their actions cross some moral threshold and create the necessity for action to uphold the tolerance regime lest it crumble due to the actions of the former? Alas, this is a discussion for a different thread on a different board.

 

[ppaladin123]

I wouldn't say that "many" mainstream Christians are gamers. Keep in mind how tiny and niche our hobby is.

I was going to go back and edit my post to say, "some" but you beat me to it.

 

[Darkwolf71]

There is an interesting philisophical/moral question in how much tolerance we owe the intolerant. At what point do their actions cross some moral threshold and create the necessity for action to uphold the tolerance regime lest it crumble due to the actions of the former? Alas, this is a discussion for a different thread on a different board.

How much tolerence do we owe the intolerant? As much as it takes.

The truth is, as long as they break no laws in the name of their intolerance, they have every right to express it, wrong though it may be. The only way to combat it is through education and if they resist education, simply go on your way. That applies to both sides of the fence.

Any reaction born of anger or spite simply reinforces their preconcieved notions and justifies their viewpoint as it is no longer one of ignorance, but one of experience.

 

[Umbran]

Tolerance doesn't mean believing that all opinions are equally *valid.*

Simon, that's very good. If I might make a small change for purposes of discussion here:

Tolerance does mean *respecting a person's right to hold* a belief, even if you do not feel that belief is well-supported or factually correct.

As usual, the Golden Rule applies. How much would you like it if folks dumped venom on you for the heinous crime of being wrong?

 

[Relique du Madde]

I think it would be even more fishy if the CCF accepted a donation from J.K.Rowling or from sponsoring a Harry Potter event or if they accepted money from White Wolf.

Anyways, I think it's funny how DnD gamers jump on Christian based charities for doing something like that when I'm pretty sure many other Religious based charities would also refuse the money (although I'd be surprised if Wiccan, Pagan and/or Atheist organizations were to take the same stance as the CCF.).

 

[Simon Atavax]

Simon, that's very good. If I might make a small change for purposes of discussion here:

Tolerance does mean *respecting a person's right to hold* a belief, even if you do not feel that belief is well-supported or factually correct.

As usual, the Golden Rule applies. How much would you like it if folks dumped venom on you for the heinous crime of being wrong?

You're using orange text, so it's obvious I've done something wrong. But I have to admit, I'm a bit confused as to what that is. Are you saying I've been dumping venom? Or that I am wrong? You ask a rhetorical question but I'm puzzled by the intent.

At any rate, I agree with Ppaladin123. This is a thread for another board, so to whatever extent I've made it go in that direction, I apologize.

 

[Voadam]

Anyways, I think it's funny how DnD gamers jump on Christian based charities for doing something like that when I'm pretty sure many other Religious based charities would also refuse the money (although I'd be surprised if Wiccan, Pagan and/or Atheist organizations were to take the same stance as the CCF.).

I don't think the reaction would be substantively different if it was a non-christian charity. If the issues and motivations are the same I'd expect people to judge it the same.

 

[jeffh]

You're using orange text, so it's obvious I've done something wrong.

Or that I have.

I agree that tolerance is respecting someone's right to hold a belief I don't agree with. But whether that right exists surely depends to some extent on how that belief was acquired. Surely some ways of acquiring a belief are just irresponsible, at least epistemically and sometimes in other ways as well. If someone has looked at the facts and honestly come to a different conclusion than me, that's cool. But there are times when it would be ridiculously credulous of me to think that was the case.

I don't think there's anything off-the-wall or offensive about those views. I should hope expressing them, in a thread where they are of clear relevance, is well within the rules here.