4e: The final word

[Scribble]

Well, it seems like you get me, although I don't see the point of your post.

New coke is like the old coke's taste of a new generations crystal pepsi kona in coke form man.

 

[Remathilis]

New coke is like the old coke's taste of a new generations crystal pepsi kona in coke form man.

I don't understand what you just typed, but Crystal Pepsi kicked butt.

That, is the final word.

 

[Agamon]

I don't understand what you just typed, but Crystal Pepsi kicked butt.

Crystal Pepsi will always remind me of that Crystal Gravy SNL ad....

 

[thedungeondelver]

Very much agree with the first point. I'm sick of people saying 4E is not D&D. It IS. It's on the COVER, it's produced by the company that owns the trademark. Saying that 4E is NOT D&D is just being intellectually dishonest!

Hating it, however, is fine. (shrug)

I have a bumper sticker that says DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. I had a beach towel when I was a kid that had some illos from the MONSTER MANUAL superimposed over a generic sort of dungeon map that said ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. These two items were not the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game - but by your definition they were.

There's a point at which when you leap so far away from things that identify your product as one thing that it is no longer easily identifiable as such when your customers legitimately ask whether or not you're still making the same stuff. D&D was pushed across this boundary with the release of the ever-increasingly-inaccurately numbered 4th edition. I'm not the only person making that assertion, and to conclude I'd remind you of the old saw that goes "If one man calls you a horse, that man is a fool. If a hundred do it, buy yourself a bridle and saddle."

The "horse" in this case is the "not-D&D" game that was released by the "you" (WotC).

 

[Andy_Collins]

Babies, etc.

Yes.

I shot who in the what now?

 

[Scribble]

i shot who in the what now?

ahhhhhhhh run for you lives! The christmas version of tiny baby collins eating babies is here!

 

[JackSmithIV]

I have a bumper sticker that says DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. I had a beach towel when I was a kid that had some illos from the MONSTER MANUAL superimposed over a generic sort of dungeon map that said ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. These two items were not the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game - but by your definition they were.

That's just ridiculous. I don't think he's trying to argue that anything that says D&D on it is the Dungeons & Dragons game. I think he's trying to make the point that the Dungeons & Dragons game is clearly the Dungeons & Dragons game.

[EDIT] I rescind the rest of what I have to say. Let's just say it's time to stop the edition war. It's rediculous, inconclusive, and draws two very large pieces of the roleplaying community apart from eachother.

 

[RefinedBean]

I have a bumper sticker that says DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. I had a beach towel when I was a kid that had some illos from the MONSTER MANUAL superimposed over a generic sort of dungeon map that said ADVANCED DUNGEONS & DRAGONS on it. These two items were not the DUNGEONS & DRAGONS game - but by your definition they were.

There's a point at which when you leap so far away from things that identify your product as one thing that it is no longer easily identifiable as such when your customers legitimately ask whether or not you're still making the same stuff. D&D was pushed across this boundary with the release of the ever-increasingly-inaccurately numbered 4th edition. I'm not the only person making that assertion, and to conclude I'd remind you of the old saw that goes "If one man calls you a horse, that man is a fool. If a hundred do it, buy yourself a bridle and saddle."

The "horse" in this case is the "not-D&D" game that was released by the "you" (WotC).

No, then a hundred people would be obtuse and wrong.

The intellectual property of D&D is owned by WotC, and they can do whatever they darn well like with it.

And if you want to do a reductio ad absurdum on that, go ahead. Your beach towel sounds cool, and is just another item that makes up the whole of what we know as D&D. (shrug) So does 3.5, 3.0, and other editions.

 

[RefinedBean]

That's just ridiculous. I don't think he's trying to argue that anything that says D&D on it is the Dungeons & Dragons game. I think he's trying to make the point that the Dungeons & Dragons game is clearly the Dungeons & Dragons game.

Yeah, but if you put it like that, I still sound stupid.

 

[FireLance]

"If one man calls you a horse, that man is a fool. If a hundred do it, buy yourself a bridle and saddle."

No, then a hundred people would be obtuse and wrong.

Actually, I think that might have worked in Planescape.