Jack99
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Originally Posted by catsclaw227 said:
*cough cough*
I think JackSmithIV is reminding you that you seem to have forgotten this new awesome PDF-publisher called One Bad Egg!
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How about a deadline to WotC?
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I think JackSmithIV is reminding you that you seem to have forgotten this new awesome PDF-publisher called One Bad Egg!
catsclaw227
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JackSmithIV said:*cough cough*
Sadly, I have yet to look into the Popison Ivy products yet...
Jack99 said:
It looks like, my friend Jack99, that your thread-fu has grown weak!
But, I will admit it was up near post fifty-sumthin-r-other, and my short term thread memory is about 30 posts or so. 
Raven Crowking
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Mr. The Rouse, thank you for the update.
If there is anyone who dislikes the GSL as-is more than I do, I have yet to meet him. I am pro-OGL all the way. I am not a big fan of 4e as written, and I admit I would have liked to have seen a 3pp rewrite.
And, yet, even I recognize that trying to give WotC a deadline at this point is a bad, bad idea. In fact, it is IMHO, a worse idea than the current GSL.
3pp are using the GSL as-is on the basis of good faith and the promise of revision, and I'm guessing that some of them at least (Clark at Necromancer, if no one else) has some idea what the revision will look like. Attempts to strong-arm WotC are only going to push the GSL revision back. An OGL 4e-clone would really push the revision back......certainly it would give the Legal Department something more important to deal with.
Mr. The Rouse hasn't hidden from his responsibilities IMHO. Rather, he has taken them on manfully. He ought to be applauded for the same. He has ensured that several 3pp are comfortable enough with what the revision will look like that they have begun producing material for 4e. This isn't a minor accomplishment.
The most recent issue of Dragon Roots (DRAGON ROOTS) came out with both 3.5 and 4e content because WotC is willing to work with 3pp. Again, it is my understanding that Mr. The Rouse deserves real kudos for his involvement.
Even though I am not a 4e player, I recognize that there is a lot of good in the ruleset, and it has made a lot of people happy. The design team merged their ideas of "smart play" and "satisfying play" extremely well, so if you find the sort of game they're offering satisfying, the rules won't get in your way. This is definitely praiseworthy.
Again, Kudos.
Mr. The Rouse, should you ever be in Toronto, I'll buy you a beer too. Yours is a thankless job.
RC
If there is anyone who dislikes the GSL as-is more than I do, I have yet to meet him. I am pro-OGL all the way. I am not a big fan of 4e as written, and I admit I would have liked to have seen a 3pp rewrite.
And, yet, even I recognize that trying to give WotC a deadline at this point is a bad, bad idea. In fact, it is IMHO, a worse idea than the current GSL.
3pp are using the GSL as-is on the basis of good faith and the promise of revision, and I'm guessing that some of them at least (Clark at Necromancer, if no one else) has some idea what the revision will look like. Attempts to strong-arm WotC are only going to push the GSL revision back. An OGL 4e-clone would really push the revision back......certainly it would give the Legal Department something more important to deal with.
Mr. The Rouse hasn't hidden from his responsibilities IMHO. Rather, he has taken them on manfully. He ought to be applauded for the same. He has ensured that several 3pp are comfortable enough with what the revision will look like that they have begun producing material for 4e. This isn't a minor accomplishment.
The most recent issue of Dragon Roots (DRAGON ROOTS) came out with both 3.5 and 4e content because WotC is willing to work with 3pp. Again, it is my understanding that Mr. The Rouse deserves real kudos for his involvement.
Even though I am not a 4e player, I recognize that there is a lot of good in the ruleset, and it has made a lot of people happy. The design team merged their ideas of "smart play" and "satisfying play" extremely well, so if you find the sort of game they're offering satisfying, the rules won't get in your way. This is definitely praiseworthy.
Again, Kudos.
Mr. The Rouse, should you ever be in Toronto, I'll buy you a beer too. Yours is a thankless job.
RC
Jack99
Adventurer
It looks like, my friend Jack99, that your thread-fu has grown weak!
It has indeed. But so has your sense of irony
While the revised GSL is on hold, then it may also place the the functionality of a publisher on hold as well.
Which parts are the existig GSL are preventing you publishing now? I assume, unlike, for example, myself, you don't have a back-catalogue of OGL products to worry about, which deals with most of the GSL complaints.
Fifth Element
Legend
Hear hear. I might offer something similar, but I know there's zero chance he'll ever happen to be in Fredericton.Mr. The Rouse, should you ever be in Toronto, I'll buy you a beer too. Yours is a thankless job.
Brown Jenkin
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The problem with the GSL is the death warrant you sign for yourself with the bound forever and change at will clauses.
Also personally, I don't like the section about "redefine terms" that gives WotC the rights to public domain names such as elf/etc to dictate to me how I would describe or detail them.
Not having done OGL content it doesn't bother me but, I see claiming ownership in any form of public domain terms as a violation and makes the GSL not even legal.
Now D&D has some staple, sacred-cows, that must be there for looks, and I think it is good to have these "demihumans" as part of the core, but the problem lies in the fact that they are public domain things: elves, dwarves, HUMANS!
Had they wanted the GSL to really protect their IP, then they needed to create from whole cloth completely new races. Not include elf at all, but have Eladrin in its place. If for some reason I actually might be insane enough to like Nordic mythology and want my elves to resemble those from it, I should not have to supplant some additional word to "elf" to prevent from "redefining terms" that would constitute some breach of the contract and license.
That personally is one big thing I am looking at in regards to the problems of the GSL, as well as other things like what was mentioned in the quoted post here.
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dmccoy1693
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Like it or not, the GSL is workable enough for Mongoose and Goodman to use it. They have plenty to loose should WotC try to "bring them down with it," but WotC has not done anything to indicate that they have any interest in doing that. It would be like a giant swatting the gnats because they're eating all the giant's food. That's just silly. Either the giant had enough food to start with or didn't. Wizards obviously feel they have a large enough market share as is.
The GSL might not be perfect but it i "good enough" for several publishers to work with it. Yea, its sad that Necro isn't publishing, its sad that Paizo went their own way, but such is life. "You will lose some friends and gain new ones. The process is painful but often necessary. They will change, you will change, because life is changing." -John Sheridan, President of the Interstellar Alliance.
The GSL might not be perfect but it i "good enough" for several publishers to work with it. Yea, its sad that Necro isn't publishing, its sad that Paizo went their own way, but such is life. "You will lose some friends and gain new ones. The process is painful but often necessary. They will change, you will change, because life is changing." -John Sheridan, President of the Interstellar Alliance.
You gotta give something in exchange. It's not a free gift - it's a contract, where both parties give something. WotC gives this powerful brand name, in exchange for which you give up certain rights. You're not forced to sign that contract; but if you think it's worth it to you, you will.
Fortunately, the welath of legal jurisdiction disagrees with you. A contract is legal as long as it doesn't require any criminal act.
You're free to do all that. You just don't get to slap a shiny D&D logo on your product. I'm a pubisher with a vested financial interest in this, and I think that's perfectly fair.
The only thing stopping me signing it is the "trash all your OGL stuff" clause. Can't afford to do that.
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