Is the Tratnyr underpowered?

[cmbarona]

I'm having wavering thoughts about this weapon. It seems to be missing a certain something, and I'm not sure what. Is it that its range is the same as a javelin? That it seems to be a normal spear with throwing attached? That it's identical to the trident, but with a longer range? I haven't quite figured this out yet. Is it just my imagination, and it really works quite well?

 

[chitzk0i]

Aside from someone with Eladrin Soldier, who would pay a feat to just use the tratnyr? Spending a feat just to slightly improve your backup weapon is not a worthwhile move in most campaigns. And if it was, I'd probably just use a Farslayer weapon or maybe a Grasping javelin. A ranger that uses heavy thrown weapons might use it, but they're really better off with a bow.

 

[Eldorian]

It's a niche weapon until there is a class with str powers that use thrown weapons. It is the weapon of choice for a single ranger paragon path, Avalanche Hurler.

edit: And even then, I'd consider spending the feats to grab bastard sword and heavy blade opportunity, and only use one Tratnyr. Ranged powers, even the Avalanche Hurler ranged aspects of the powers, don't require the second attack be with an offhand weapon.

 

[HeirToPendragon]

It's a niche weapon until there is a class with str powers that use thrown weapons. It is the weapon of choice for a single ranger paragon path, Avalanche Hurler.

I'm so building this character. That Paragon just looks fun.

 

[Eldorian]

I'm so building this character. That Paragon just looks fun.

Looks fun, versatile in combat, and mechanically effective too, it looks like.

Edit: Also a good paragon path for a brutal rogue, (my personal favorite multiclass paragon path for brutal rogue is shock trooper tho). The rogue is gonna want to throw daggers obviously.

 

[Rechan]

I imagine it might be useful for the scant few Warlord powers that require a thrown weapon.

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

I imagine it might be useful for the scant few Warlord powers that require a thrown weapon.

I was thinking that too.

 

[cmbarona]

So the general consensus is that yes, it is underpowered. Maybe grossly underpowered.

So what might be a good fix? +3 proficiency? d10 damage die? Military instead of Superior weapon?

 

[HeirToPendragon]

So the general consensus is that yes, it is underpowered. Maybe grossly underpowered.

So what might be a good fix? +3 proficiency? d10 damage die? Military instead of Superior weapon?

Currently it's a placeholder and I'm sure later on we'll see a class that just completely abuses it.

If you think it's underpowered, just use a different weapon for now.

 

[Simm]

If you think it's underpowered, just use a different weapon for now.

The problem with that is that there isn't a better 1 handed spear. There are only 3 and it's the best one.