Intelligent Blademaster with Javelin?

[Herschel]

It's pretty cut-and-dried when you use sentence fragments that aren't part of the feat in question you mean. Sorry, that is not even close to supporting your position.

When I want to use Swordmage warding, I pull out a dagger. But Intelligent Blademaster works just fine with a staff. Intelligent Blademaster is not a swordmage power, it's a feat that works with any melee weapon, not just blades.

And for that matter, nothing stops a swordmage from using any melee weapon they want with most of their powers - they all have the Weapon keyword, but do not require you to actualy use a blade. (It's generally more effective to use a sword, but not required.)

If you think it should all be restricted to light and heavy blades due to flavor reasons, that's perfectly fine. But it is not actually restricted in that way in the actual class write up. It's part of the 4e theme: less hard and fast restrictions, but they do try to give you incentives to do things a certain way (swordmage warding gives you a big incentive to use only light/heavy blades, even though almost none of the other class powers requre it, for example.).

I've thought of doing a dwarven Swordmage who uses Axes (specfically the Khopesh because it is both a sword and an sxe) and a Heavy shield, but it haven't done it because of the number of feats it would take before it became effective.

Actually, it does support what I said if you read the whole section, I used the dots for space and to show where the section was and not mis-representing what was written. I CLEARLY indicated the section, no mis-direction, etc.

It's not a flavor issue, it's in the text. Numerous places specifically state blades. It shouldn't have to specifically use the word "sword" in every instance, it's in there enough for anyone to "get the picture". You need to use a blade as a Swordmage to use those powers, it's at minimum implied clearly even if you don't think it is exactly written. You like to "bend the system", and that's fine so long as the DM allows it. You wouldn't get away with it at my table or many others but that's not a big deal.

However, I will call you on trying to bend the rules and representing it as the rule. House rules are cool, just state them as such.

 

[Herschel]

Intelligent Blademaster is not a swordmage power, it's a feat that works with any melee weapon, not just blades.

Lets break this specific point to clarify. Intelligent Blademaster certainly is an exclusive Swordmage Power/Feat. Being a Swordmage is the prerequisite for it. No other class has access to it.

 

[Caliban]

Lets break this specific point to clarify. Intelligent Blademaster certainly is an exclusive Swordmage Power/Feat. Being a Swordmage is the prerequisite for it. No other class has access to it.

True, but irrelevent. The feat does not reference any sword mage class features or specific weapons.

What the feat does is let let you use your Int modifier for basic attacks with melee weapons. That is not a house rule, it's there in black and white.

And you are the one making up restrictions and rules that don't exist (in my opinion). I would suggest that you stop calling things you don't like "houserules". It against the forum etiquette and it's a good way to get moderated.

The swordmage class has certain class features that specifically relate to swords, but none of their actual weapon keyword powers specify swords and thus will work with any melee weapon. That's just the way it works.

 

[Kordeth]

Actually, it does support what I said if you read the whole section, I used the dots for space and to show where the section was and not mis-representing what was written. I CLEARLY indicated the section, no mis-direction, etc.

Umm...no, it doesn't. In fact, the feat is very clear that it does not require you to be using a light or heavy blade.

It's not a flavor issue, it's in the text. Numerous places specifically state blades. It shouldn't have to specifically use the word "sword" in every instance, it's in there enough for anyone to "get the picture". You need to use a blade as a Swordmage to use those powers, it's at minimum implied clearly even if you don't think it is exactly written. You like to "bend the system", and that's fine so long as the DM allows it. You wouldn't get away with it at my table or many others but that's not a big deal.

First of all, not all heavy/light blades are swords. Glaives are heavy blades and therefore usable by swordmages and all swordmage powers/class features, and the khopesh is also a heavy blade. But that's beside the point, because the Intelligent Blademaster feat is not a swordmage power. You do not have to use a light or heavy blade with Intelligent Blademaster, you just have to use "a melee weapon." There is absolutely nothing, anywhere, that so much as implies that it can only be used with a sword. The only things a swordmage has to use a light or heavy blade for are:

- The swordbond class feature
- The swordmage warding class feature
- Swordmage powers with the implement keyword (and even then, only if he wants to benefit from the implement's enhancement bonus).

Notice how all of those things explicitly say "when using a light or heavy blade" or some variation thereof. Intelligent Blademaster does not.

However, I will call you on trying to bend the rules and representing it as the rule. House rules are cool, just state them as such.

Okay, seriously, dismissing other people's interpretation of the rules as house rules, or even worse, outright cheating, is against the board's code of conduct. You might want to back off on this approach.

 

[DracoSuave]

Now I'm tempted to make a mordenkrad-wielding 'sword'mage.

HAMMERMAGUSSMISH

 

[Danceofmasks]

Is that like a close combat 'range'r?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Lets break this specific point to clarify. Intelligent Blademaster certainly is an exclusive Swordmage Power/Feat. Being a Swordmage is the prerequisite for it. No other class has access to it.

Intelligent Blademaster is a feat with a prerequisite of "Swordmage". If you are a Swordmage, or if you have a Swordmage multiclass that permits you to qualify for feats that have "Swordmage" as a prerequisite, you can take the feat.

That's the only Swordmage-related restriction on the use of the feat. As long as you qualify for the feat, you can use the feat with any melee weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[chaotix42]

LOL @ Herschel saying I'm cheating & disguising house rules as literal interpretations.

IB lets me use Int instead of Str when I make basic attacks with melee weapons. When I throw a javelin, I'm making a basic attack with a melee weapon.

My interpretation seems based in solid "RAW." Argue intent all you want, but calling my view a houserule is way off.

 

[Herschel]

LOL @ Herschel saying I'm cheating & disguising house rules as literal interpretations.

IB lets me use Int instead of Str when I make basic attacks with melee weapons. When I throw a javelin, I'm making a basic attack with a melee weapon.

My interpretation seems based in solid "RAW." Argue intent all you want, but calling my view a houserule is way off.

Using "RAW" makes your point moot. It's a meaningless term used by rules lawyers trying to exploit loopholes. If you like rules bending, then that's fine I'm not sying otherwise but quit trying to prop it up with BS jargon.

 

[Herschel]

Intelligent Blademaster is a feat with a prerequisite of "Swordmage". If you are a Swordmage, or if you have a Swordmage multiclass that permits you to qualify for feats that have "Swordmage" as a prerequisite, you can take the feat.

That's the only Swordmage-related restriction on the use of the feat. As long as you qualify for the feat, you can use the feat with any melee weapon.

-Hyp.

I understand your interpretation, I'm just disagreeing with your application. Look at it in these logical steps:

1. You must be a Swordmage to have access to the power. It's class-exclusive.
2. Swordmage powers are based on the use of blades.

To me, that specifically implies the powers only work with blades and is written as such. The reason it lists melee weapon is because the blade requisite is already met due to using a Swordmage ability.